If they reduced the damage of thorns dot by 50% but increase the duration by 50% in PvP nobody would QQ. Or they could reduce the damage of the dot by 45-65% but allow it to stack with each shot it would make it way more usable in PvE and not broken in PvP

Wait, you played a week of TDB? You realized Thorn was buffed back in Vanilla right? Did you completely miss the changes to the weapon? Are you dense? Stupid post.

Relax nerd Thorn is just having it's prime as Luke Smith disclosed in an interview I quote "every gun has it's season.' get over it have some fun with it while it's top dawg and pucker up for the next "Season".

What do you mean? Your kd is negative. So rightfully branded a Noob. Doesn't matter if you use Thorn or a different gun

Bruh... Who cares what others think? People say that thorn requires no skill, that BS is a weak excuse, give your wife or any gamer who doesnt play FPS a thorn and run them through crucible, judge the results. By that very logic, an unskilled person would be able to start wrecking, that is not the case. Now if the rebuttal is, well they have to have some FPS knowledge, then that goes against the very same logic they applied in the sense that IT DOES REQUIRE SKILL to use. People just look for ways to bring in excuses when going up against Thorns. Truth is, the hate mail I get is from, TLW! But never Thorn, interesting huh? I agree that crucible is unbalanced, but if you earned your Thorn and used it with great success, keep using it. People will be salty about handcannons while using handcannons. You want to know what will happen next? Whatever major nerfs an buffs are coming down the pipe will eventually lead to another weapon that people will complain about, while no mention of Thorn anyway in sight. To hell with these groups, if I or you want to use an OP weapon, GO FOR IT. GET YOU'RE KILLS AND ENJOY THE SALTY TEARS. Nobody is going to stop you, what? They will send hate mail or gang up on you in the forums? Lmfao, words bruh, nothing but words from kids. If you feel that much about it, then start off with a legendary an if the scene is nothing BUT thorns an TLWs, bust out yours. I always start off with either Jewel or The Scholar, OP weapons on their own, but if the scene switches up, switch up too if it becomes over bearing.

This is my problem, I really really do not want this to be Cod, with Cod its 1-2-3 shots and at times just 1 well placed one. Destiny is almost there with Thorn, Red Death, Last Word, and other Legendary Hand Cannons. So then, what seperates Destiny from Cod? Basically the look, feel, and Supers. Nothing else would be different, same game, different name. If Cod had super suits and supers it'd be Destiny.

Not true, suros was top tier but there were a few guns better than it.

Dude if you like the gun keep using it, why do you care if people you won't ever know or talk to think you're a noob? In my opinion anyone not using the best guns is a noob for giving themselves a clear disadvantage. I would always rather win and have people calling me a noob than be on the losing side trying to convince myself I'm better because I use worse guns

Does anybody here main legendary primaries when they play the crucible? I have my set up equipped, check it out. The reason I ask is because if you use a legendary in the crucible, how are you dealing with Thorn and Last Word? Any advice for how I should use my load-out to my advantage?

I have over 26000 kills with thorn. I have used thorn since week 3 and it easily became my favorite gun to use in PvE and PvP. I never believed it needed a buff. It was one of the best guns period. The buff just destroyed this weapon's reputation.. I haven't touched thorn in a while. I just feel cheap using it. Just put it back to its prebuff stage.. it was a great weapon. I have moved on to the NLB. I really hope bungie doesn't break this gun as well if they decide to buff it.

This is my reason why. It's what most players seem to not understand about player vs player game types. One of The only reason hand cannons are so damn powerful is because of the chemical unbalance of weapon types in pvp. Auto rifles counter hand cannons, shotguns counter fusion rifles, pulse rifles counter scout rifles, ect. This is the main problem! By nerfing auto rifles not only have you given hand cannons unstoppable power you have taken out a very important part of equilibrium in this game type. So no, the solution is not in nerfing hand cannons. It's the simple fact that their is now chemical unbalance in the weapon types. Allow me to explain, a hand cannon is short to mid range combat. Hand cannons usally have a slower fire rate with high impact, while auto rifles (used in the same short-mid range combat) has a faster fire rate with a lower impact however, autorifle a can just as easily take down hand cannon users as they would be able to take them down. Just like how pulse rifles can be beaten by scout rifles at mid-long range combat where they beat hancannon users, how shotgun users can easily counter pulse rifle users. It's all about balance so, when it comes down to it all that needs to happen is a autorifle re-buff. This would change so much in player vs player combat.