Legitimately the only thing I read on this forum is someone crying over how OP "Insert weapon here" is and how they think it should be nerfed. How everyone in Destiny is entitled to the Lighthouse and that bungie should just open it to everyone. Crying over not being able to find a team for PoE. How Xur should sell the Gjallarhorn. Bungie finally makes an endgame for PVP players. What do the PvE stars do? Go cry on the forums over how PVP is too hard and how they wanna use what they want! But they cant because of Thorn! And if Bungie doesnt make the Lighthouse available to everyone then they are gonna quit Destiny. PVP players have been stuck at level 29, and level 31 ever since the beginning. But I dont see PVP players on here complaining over how the raids are too hard. Nope. PVP players dont complain. Its just the whiny little casuals who complain because they are forced to step out of their comfort zone and play against another human thats not going to miss every shot when they shoot at you. Like where did these people come from? If you came from CoD or Halo you should have no problem with this games PVP. These nerfs are even worse. I dont think people understand that once the Thorn and TLW are nerfed. Red Death and Mida Tool are going to be the next OP weapons. Then we're gonna see all of these kids who cried about TLW and Thorn come onto these forums and cry about something else. Is it a foreign concept that certain weapons are going to be better than others? Just look at any other FPS. You know which guns are better than others. Personally the balance is absolutely fine. I have no problem using any of the main PVP weapons. I can do fine with Red Death, Mida Tool, Mythoclast, TLW, Thorn. It really doesnt matter. I honestly believe some people have way too high of expectations. You go into crucible with what a Word of Crota or something like that and expect to do well? Of course you wont do well using a weapon like that. TLW and Thorn were almost made exclusively for crucible. If you're using either one of them in PvE. You're doing something wrong lol. Likewise for all of the PvE weapons. The FateBringer is hands down the best PvE hand cannon. But does it excel in PVP? No it doesnt, because it was made for PvE. Not PVP.