For me just opinions
Under 2300 grimoire
Hezens vengance users
Fusion rifles
My team in crucible because they always get only 1000 points in a match
Blue guns
People without atleast 10 exotics
Havent done hard crota
Cant run sword
Cant run relic
Suck it noobs
Git gud scrub
Scrubs
3 of same class
Grab heavy ammo without waiting in pvp
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-I haven't tested it out much myself, but a great PVP player a mutual friend knows says Hezen's Vengeance can be pretty great in PVP. -There are better Legendary Fusion rifles now, but I did my 1st Thorn bounty with a blue Fusion. And maybe some of the peeps that whine about shottys in PVP aren't hypocrites and use Fusions in their place?