When half the time the only thing people use in pvp is thorn and last word you know somethings up. The fact that they can kill you before you can even do anything with any other weapon is quite ridiculous. And if you do manage to kill someone who is using thorn the lingering damage kills you afterwards anyways. They're both pretty bad in PvE and yet in the PvP it seems they're unstoppable. Even with the HoW update and the new exotics added they're still the two main weapons everyone uses and it gets old being killed in 2 to 3 shots sometimes even 1 shot. Please do something about this. Both aren't even hard to obtain so everyone is using them. I can understand QB and the HoW shotgun are OP too but they are both harder to obtain than thorn and last word.