Personally, I think they need to suck it up and give us a patch. After Elighting all my old guns I have zero reason to get the new ones because they [b]really really suck[/b]. It's not even funny anymore that old vanilla weapons seem to forever out class newer weapons. Fatebringer VoC Icebreaker Gjallarhorn, and Found verdict are still the absolute kings of PvE (imho) I'm not much of a PvP player but I do know that thorn and felwinters are round one guns as well so wtf Bungie? Yay the Matador is new congrats you got one lol. Look, I'm sure there's one or two new weapons out there worth having but all I'm saying is their production quality is shit, has been since the begining they just keep improving here and dropping off there it's like they have one good dev working there who moves around through the game aspects and the one's he/she leaves fall by the wayside lol. Just a poll to actually get some attention (maybe) bump comment argue keep her trending and vote Guardians because if shit doesn't change we're all on the losing team and I'm not sticking around once that happens.