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Edited by Crazed: 6/10/2015 4:52:08 AM
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No Land Beyond/Thorn/Auto Rifles

Thorn nerf

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Hand Cannon nerf

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No land beyond buff

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Auto Rifle buff

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All of the above

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Based on how PvP is ruled by Thorn an Hand Cannons (Forums and in game PvP is evidence to this) need something doing to balance it. I think a solution would be to improve the headshot multiplier on Auto Rifles slightly, atm they are useless outside of the Vex. I think No Lands Beyond (Sniper) needs major work, the fact it has no scope but has lens glare when you zoom in, how does that work? It's unfair. It needs the lens flare removed and a higher damage or a higher rate of fire. Again the weapon is completely useless. Thorn needs a little nerf, i think the Poison should only activate upon critical hits and when the killer has died the poison over time should deactivate. And Hand Cannons in general need the headshot multiplier slightly nerfed or nerf the rate of fire, they kill way too fast and easily. Auto Rifles need a buff to make them at least competitive, even the best Auto Rifles are useless on PvP even with headshots you're 80% of the time going to die, suggest improvement on impact or headshot multiplier What do you agree with?

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  • I'm not an active Thorn user - I tend to favor rifles more - but I've used mine and faced down enough of them used by others to know that any of the nerfs you recommend would kill its PVP viability. As it stands, Thorn's residual damage is barely on-level with the Incendiary Knife, and it doesn't stack with itself or with other afterburn effects. It's pretty much as balanced as it's going to get. Thorn's prevalence isn't due to any one real magic bullet of a situation, but more due to the combination of Auto Rifle nerfing (resulting in many players who primarily mained Atheon's End, Hard Light, and Suros Regime leaving it en masse), paired with players just not liking the other main weapon types (Pulse Rifles and Scout Rifles are dramatically under-used, even though Bad Juju and Red Death are amazing by all accounts). Thorn is one of the only Exotics that pretty much any player can get that will actually see constant use because it's that damned good at what it does. There's no RNGesus involved with Thorn - it's all your own skill and strength. There's better Hand Cannons, even in the Legendary tier, but none that are anywhere near as easy-to-get, ubiquitous, or effective as Thorn is for how good an investment it is. The solution isn't to nerf Thorn, it's to carefully adjust the other weapons for improved usability. Rather an a blanket buff to Auto Rifles, a more measured, analytical approach is needed, with each weapon receiving detailed analysis.

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