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Edited by MiltonTheMango:
6/4/2015 8:29:28 AM
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Why shouldn't thorn be nerfed in pvp (Resonable discussion)
Thorn is much better than every single weapon in pvp and if you believe in a balanced pvp you should want a nerf. If u don't tell me why. Please have well though out answers and no shit like 'git gud'. Be sensible
Edit: please try be constructive. I want this to be a discussion not people crying and moaning everywhere
Edit: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1L7FV9l4hXo2tHD3XlFUp854XvJIwTKFIPvASLduPPS4/htmlview?pli=1
Have a look at this
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The dot shouldn't affect players only pve enemies.
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I will wreck thorn with any gun I use. Be it TLW, MIDA, LoW, Hawkmoon. It will go down.
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3 Replies2 headshots shouldn't kill you. It should leave you with a drop of health left.
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Thorn is not unstoppable, but it's just the way anybody can use it is ridiculous. If I out gun you w. a Last Word and you are 50-75 yards from me. Don't reward the scrub w. a kill, that's horrible. Reduce the poison damage on the gun, I have no problem w. the range of it of the effect it has on my HUD. It's just the fact that I get a lot of kills by turning on people and our maneuvering them for nothing, that's butt as hell
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1 ReplyIm tired of it. It's a great gun i have it the bounty was a blast but it's over done. Don't berf shit give us back op vex and suros leave thorn as is atop -blam!-ing with shit. Give us private custom lobbys so we can say no vex and thorn. And take a rest from shit and use our other other favorite guns.
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5 RepliesEdited by Coldassassin: 6/5/2015 9:39:45 AMIt's pretty evident that when bungie swings the ban hammer they swing way to hard lol. Look at the vex now...shell of its former self(why did bungie make the gun anyways if they were gonna mess with it so damn much?) look at the Suros (my baby, my first exotic 2 weeks into the game) sure it was powerful but it wasn't unstoppable. When's the last time you got killed by one? I don't remember. Easiest thing to do would be to bring autos and scouts up to par with pulse rifles and handcannons. And stop issuing general nerfs to fusions because the vex can't take another nerf. If all weapons had a balanced ttk no one would ask for these damn nerfs. I'm sure people would find some reason to call for nerfs after that though...they always do ;) Edit: Thorn isn't even the best handcannon...Hawkmoon outclasses it, though it is tougher to use from what I hear because I still don't have one lol
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Slow the rate of fire and it SHOULD be better
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1 ReplyWhy does the last word have half the time to kill of all machine guns. Makes no sense
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All hand cannons should recieve a nerf, and auto rifles should recieve a moderate buff. This would help balance immensely
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Because Bungie seems to have difficulty separating weapons between PvP and PvE. They've already killed AR's and Fusion Rifles in PvE. If they nerf Thorn and TLW I worry about the effects in PvE.
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I'm not particularly good at pvp, don't use thorn, but have no problem with it. The irritation comes from getting killed a lot by it, but that's more to do with the number of people using it rather than it being 'impossible to overcome'. It's a good gun, as any exotic should be. Personally think TLW is ten times worse for not standing a chance. The ttk on that is insane.
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I think that if I kill you the dot should stop .
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I can't believe people still whine about this.
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It shouldn't be nerfed just other guns need to be brought up to it's standard like regime
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1 ReplyEverybody mostly who think that it needs to be nerfed don't have it or have no skill please SHUT UP ABOUT IT ALREADY Thank you 😄
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Its the only gun in the game that prevents players from recovering , which is on itself borderline OP in toO because it allows the user to push the wounded opponent right away without a worry. On top of that it has sniper-like accuracy and range, which for a 2shot kill weapon is a bit too much. In comparison, hawkmoon has a slower firerate, actually needs proper aim and strongly relies on luck in the chamber, not to mention its not as common as thorn due to its rarity. Tlw has shitty range, its a beast in close quarters BUT you risk getting ohk 'ed by shotguns so its kinda balanced. A buff to autorifles is really needed. I cant remember my last death to one of those.
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[quote]Thorn is much better than every single weapon in pvp[/quote] Red death, tlw those are just two examples of guns with similar ttk, I'm sure there are more too.
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I'm sorry but every weapon that is OP in crucible deserves to get nerfed into oblivion. Especially after the AR Nerf.
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7 RepliesThorn's DoT should should only proc on precision hits.
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I think the answer is fairly simple, we all start using hand cannons, Thorn or TLW. Isn't that what Bungie is telling us?
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Reliable and extremely low TTK. Highest base ROF (Last Word has same stats but obviously beats it due to the Fanfire perk) The impact can rival Fatebringer/Red Hand class of hand cannons, even though it has a higher ROF due to the ballistics. So it's already OP in terms of DPS. DOT is an outright increase in damage in every bullet. Luck in the chamber, crowd control are the only perks that can marginally increase damage and Thorn also has Final round to boot too. DOT also delay recovery, obscure enemy HUDs and reveal enemy location. Big tactical advantage. Bullet over penetrate targets to allow some form of crowd control. Competent at all ranges, even close range; even without a small TTK, one bullet and a slap is enough to kill players who rush. Perfect balance makes stability very high and headshots reliable. Magazine is alright. What would I do? Make the DOT on guardians do 0/1 damage but make it last longer so players can use it more tactically. Maybe make the bullets penetrate walls so guardians can try their luck by shooting through them. Or remove the Ballistics or nerf the damage so it can be a 3 shot kill. Or to be silly; only nerf the magazine to 3/4.
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2 RepliesThe Original Vex! Pre nerf buff nerf buff buff nerf I was told by people on my friends list that were there was so deadly that it would literally strike fear in their hearts when there heard it go off! That sound it made was undeniable! They said that one person on the opposing fireteam could have it and could wipe out an entire fireteam. People quitting left and right. The Thorn does not do this to me at all. It will cause me to pause for a sec to rethink my approach but that is about it. I don't know I guess everyone is gonna have their own opinion. But what I'm curious about is the people complaining for a nerf the ones who can not complete the bounty to get one of their own or they feel pvp is difficult already as it is and the Thorn just makes it way harder? Let me be clear here I'm in no way saying I'm amazing at pvp. I actually am not that good at it and most of the time don't care for it. But it certainly is nice to have to change things up a bit from playing pve all the time. Okay I'm done I have to get back to laundry :)
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3 RepliesGive me any gun I don't care yesterday in iron banner I used khovostov and got 19 kills 2 place as a 33 just learn to play against it and use better tactics
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Thorn is matched perfect with its counter last word. On a straight on fight last word wins, but if you are dodging in and out of cover thorn wins, the two balance each other out perfectly. If you nerf on you need to nerf both, if you nerf both you have to nerf everything else as well. Each gun has a counter to it, stop complaining that you cannot win and and asking for nerfs whenever you just need to learn how to play. Learn the counters learn the strengths and weaknesses of each gun.
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2 RepliesI don't think it should be nerfed but if they do happen to need it just cause they listen to all you pussies the need should be "if you die the lingering damage on any enemy stops" I think this is the fairest possible way to not ruin the gun
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Edited by TronCat: 6/5/2015 8:34:42 AMIf they're going to nerf Thorn I think it should be by removing aggressive ballistics. Without aggressive ballastics it can't two shot. A 3 shot kill is fair from an exotic handcannon. It also doesn't take away from what Thorn is, I've seen people saying to remove it's DoT, in that case you may as well use another handcannon.
