It should get a (very slightly like 1-2 damage) need to the DoT, then it should be reverted to the pre DB six round, terrible stability, and 30 year reload version

The Thorn is a pain, especially when it is the Iron Banner. It is nearly impossible to complete the bounty where you have to get 10 kills without dying. Just when you need 1 or 2 more kills a Thorn user comes and ends your spree. They have to nerf the poisoning effect. Thats my opinion though.

Maybe make dot only apply with headshots? Would still be a 2 hit which im sure would be considered op by some maybe also tak on burn stops when thorn user is dead? I dont want it nerfed to oblivion i honestly think tlw is a much better weapon but slight changes like these would make a big impact for the 'casual vs casual' matchs so ppl couldnt just spam ang get easy free kills from dot. I think these nerfs would help in that level of play. When good players use it you should still be rewarded and against other skilled players that can adapt to it it seems fine to me

The worst thing is sniping with thorn. I snipe decently. This past trials I pulled out thorn, I have always considered the gun OP and had stayed away from it post patch. I can tell you after using it today, holy crap it is not okay what a person who can hit consistent Headshots with this weapon can do.

Thorn user better not rage when I snipe them. Got so much hate when I kicked their crutch

Make the DoT tick 1. It will still be OP because you can't recover and it hits hard. It will be perfect.

Thorn was my baby in the first few months of Destiny. I was one of the only ones I ever saw using it and it was my go to gun. That being said... nerf the shit out of it.

Thorn will become the new suros while suros will become the new thorn.

Just make it a weapon that rewards skilled use of it, a hell of a lot less stability for instance. I mean really, we fire these gigantic "thorns" out of it and there's barely any recoil

-blam!- it let buff it. No but seriously the gun could use a little nerf to base damage but the poison needs to be nerfed because ever if you get away the poison either you die or your heath is so low tripping on a rock would kill you.

They shouldn't nerf it's power, but maybe bring down it's effective range? That might be agreeable for everyone.

I don't use it. It's for the weak

I'm not that good, and only a few people can out gun me with thorn. I just need to get hit with it once to know I need to be on my feet at a distance to combat it.

Because its not that OP in the bigger picture It is highly annoying to the one getting shot, But other weapons will win a match just as fast if not faster When the HC bounty is up, I'll use Thorn However my overall score goes down It makes individual HC kills more assured, but I'm getting fewer kills overall Additionally, asking for nerfs is a slippery slope, in the right context many other weapons can also seem OP But nerfing them all will make a boring game

Why Thorn shouldnt be nerfed. Cause it will become another exotic shard and I enjoy using it in PvE against shielded enemy's. [spoiler]Buff auto's and scout's but nerf Suros' Focused Fire a WINCY bit. [/spoiler]

Everyone gets killed with more than thorn. End of discussion.

Not better than every weapon just better at normal crucible ranges. Red, vex, and TLW can beat it. I disagree on the idea of a nerf because Bungie have proven they cannot do so without destroying a weapon. Now the times they have buffed weapons has a much better track record. To properly balance they need to increase damage on ARs back to before the last nerf. Scouts should probably hit a tad bit harder, and pulses should be more stable, producing better burst groupings. The other weapons should be buffed rather than nerf a single weapon or a weapon class. If Thorn needed to be rebalanced, a easy fix would be to change perfect balance to a different perk. Maybe a quick reload. Or the faster move while ADS. The gun is already well in line with the other exotic HCs and some of the heavy hitters like Timurs. The big issue I see is that people don't seem to understand DoT weapons. They're hated in most games. This proves a pattern. Non stacking now refreshing DoT normally tends to be a weakness unless the DoT effect contributes a significant amount of damage in a short time. In thorn this creates a vulnerability window where you can kill the user even though you are technically already dead. So use your second chance wisely. Now the reason many switched to thorn is because Bungie created some pretty bad hand cannons for the dark below. There were a lot of people trying for red hand drops with a good role but hand cannons in general seemed to have a low drop rate. Before you'd see lots of other HC like lord high fixer and the devil you know, which made great crucible weapons with good stability mid damage large mags, and good RoF. Without good easily obtained alternative HC, thorn becomes one of the only choices for those that favor HCs. Now the new HCs are a lot better than the dark below, but their perks appear to be less useful than the originals. Bungie has been passively nerfing and buffing weapons by doing this. Honestly Bungie needs to open up custom games that allow player fine tuning to weapon class balance so they can collect much more relevant player data to the effects of possible changes. The other problem I mentioned earlier is map design. Most are CQC with few mid range lines. With more open truly long range areas in maps you'd see weapon choices change a lot. Maps are the first thing to fix as that'll change how everything else should be balanced. Ideally ARs will excel in CQC maps, pulses and HC in mid maps, and scouts in long range maps. But these advantages based on class should be only slight. With exceptions being scouts performing poorly in CQC and ARs in long. But there should be exceptions to the rules in the form of of focus fire ARs and full auto scouts.