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Edited by MiltonTheMango:
6/4/2015 8:29:28 AM
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Why shouldn't thorn be nerfed in pvp (Resonable discussion)
Thorn is much better than every single weapon in pvp and if you believe in a balanced pvp you should want a nerf. If u don't tell me why. Please have well though out answers and no shit like 'git gud'. Be sensible
Edit: please try be constructive. I want this to be a discussion not people crying and moaning everywhere
Edit: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1L7FV9l4hXo2tHD3XlFUp854XvJIwTKFIPvASLduPPS4/htmlview?pli=1
Have a look at this
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I can see from the comments here people want to turn it in to a legendary HC. Great lets just take the exotics out of crucible then. Lame ass crybabies.
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I have the thrown and guess what, I don't use it cause o suck, I prefer stability with the thorn does not have much or at least not enough for me. I use Red Hand XI from the New Monarchy faction and let me tell you I like it! I got to have a good range perk and so far I do better than the thorn.
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Edited by Wertads jr: 6/4/2015 1:49:12 PMIt still kills faster with body shot spam which is sad. You don't even need to be good at headshots just be able to hit your shots. I win 90% of my fights when I use thorn it surely is what I consider a crutch because I have to use it to be on par with other players before skill is factored in. As far as pve goes there are far superior options as far as primary's go and most use exotics in there heavy/secondary anyways. Tldr; thorn needs a nerf to improve diversification and quality of life in terms of gameplay
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I would be fine with nerfing the burn a bit. Maybe make it so it just prevents you from regenning health and not actually able to kill you after the fact. Something needs to change though it's a 2 shot headshot kill and 3 to the body
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It should be nerfed. Maybe take a few more rounds away but all in all hang cannons in general need to be nerfed along with shotguns. Auto rifles should be brought back to par
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That's part of the game. Not everything should be even. That's why they have different types of weapons and classes
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2 RepliesEdited by Deekbag: 6/4/2015 1:33:21 PMOk... 1) That spreadsheet shows the fastest possible TTK for each weapon. It means firing at the maximum RoF without missing headshots and you have to be within the range (not too far that the dmg drop-off will affect the weapon) 2) Not everyone can get 2 perfect headshots in a row without missing ALL OF THE TIME. 3) Radiant Dance Machines + MIDA. I find myself often beating Thorn users with this loadout. It's probably because a lot of them can't land multiple shots in a row on me, just as I mentioned in #2. 3) Why nerf? It was fine until the auto nerf. Bring back auto rifles and people will use Suros again. That should stop all these Thorn threads. Let's just hope others wont cry about Suros. 4) THE RAM!!!
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5 RepliesNerf it, the last word takes its place. Nerf that, PvP hand cannons take its place. Nerf hand cannons, scout and pulse rifles take its place. Nerf scouts and pulse rifles, thorn op again. Sound like a good plan? This is why nerfs are bullshit. Just buff the lack luster weapons to be competitive with the 'op' weapons.
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While I agree it's annoying at times I don't think they should nerf it. Maybe go with the ar buff but even if not I'm fine the way it is. I'm ok at iron banner without it. I hold my own with the red death. The ar buff would just be nice because not everyone has all the exotics so you may not have the red death or hard light or even multi tool to compete with the thorn. And that sucks because anyone can do the thorn bounty. I think the best solution is to buff ar and then start having xur sell exotic bounties for some of the other old exotics.
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8 Replies[b]No more [i]NERFS[/i], Just [i]BUFF[/i] the weapons that aren't as strong[/b]
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1 ReplyIs it really that OP? In the right hands I'm sure it is, but it is not like just anyone can pick it up and become a PvP superstar. If you nerf it then people will just move on to something else and we'll have the same threads with a different title.
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If they removed send it from the gun it would seriously be a good enough nerf imo. Most ppl have no idea how much send it really helps their accuracy and extends range way too far as well as the hit box. That would result in much lower accuracy and a shorter range the only 2 things I feel are necessary to tone down the gun. Not render it useless.
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1 ReplyThey should just buff everything else
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5 RepliesCrucible is "balanced" Why would you nerf Thorn for just the Crucible, no one gives 2 shits about crucible However, Thorn in Iron Banner and Trials of Osiris is a different things, where level advantages are enabled. If that's the case, that's where the more "hardcore pvp" players are at, and you don't see them complaining about Thorn as much as casuals. If you're a casual playing Iron Banner or Trials, sorry to say this, but you shouldn't play it unless you know for a fact you will be dying a lot because that's where all the elite gamers go to play when these events come out.
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1 ReplyThe main reason this weapon shouldn't be nerfed, at least not too hard, is how trash it was pre-buff. Just make it so the burn goes off after the shooter is killed, seems fair. Otherwise, hawkmoon has a very similar ttk.
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4 RepliesThorn is a problem. I have found that I have had to use Thorn to be successful. That leads to a boring game. Rather than Nerfing Thorn, buff auto rifles and/or other weapons to make them more useful. That's the only way Thorn Banner will go back to being Iron Banner.
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NO MORE NERFS! We will playing with NERF guns if everyone keeps asking for each and every weapon to die.
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32 RepliesOther than your obviously bias poll answers, it shouldn't be Nerfed because there are plenty of counters to it. It very well may be easy to use but, as an average PvP player, I don't have trouble killing people using it and I don't use it. Just because people find it easy to use, many people will use it. If for some reason it gets Nerfed people will move on to the next best thing. Then nerf threads about that weapon will pop up like thorn threads. Most people cry for nerf because they get killed by some weapon, well guess what, you will still get killed with the next weapon.
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Best way to equal it out isn't a nerf but an increase in reload time
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I want a fix for it, but not a big one. It is statistically superior to almost every other gun. I want to be able to use the gun without feeling cheap. Im thinking of pushing some aspects down a bit..maybe -7 mag size -lower accuracy at range -make the poison cancel after the user has been killed
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I think the thorn is fine, it takes a long bounty to get it, so you do deserve a good weapon, I think the game should just buff some weapons to compete, or just switch up your perks. Not a nerf
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It should suffer the same fate as the vex. Meaning it will be a 10 shot headshot
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Thorn can easily be countered by any gun in the game, especially vex, last word and red death. If you use red death, you can kind of stop the dot and kind of get your health back. If thorn two shot head shots you but you kill him as well, the dot won't kill you. You will get part of your health back. Heck, I even kill thorn users with AR's sometimes. If you move around and try to get closer to them they will miss a crap ton of shots.
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Thorns poison is only dangerous at long range. If it's short range and I wait for my poison to kill an enemy, they can usually gun me down before it kills them. Still a 3 shot kill unless u want the most postmortem medals.
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Instead of nerfing, why not buff all other exotic primaries?
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4 RepliesEdited by Mtthulhu: 6/4/2015 12:17:44 PMThorn "much better than any gun?" Sorry, but that is stupid. It isn't hard to outgun somebody using thorn. It isn't even the best handcannon >.> is thorn a little op? Sure. Really it shoots too fast for what it does. Does it have a little too much range? Sure. Really thorn-snipers are a bunch of twats. Do these stats make it "much better than any gun" in PvP? -blam!- no. Edit: oh, I'm sorry you didn't say "any gun" it was much better than "every single gun" "Every single gun"
