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Edited by MiltonTheMango:
6/4/2015 8:29:28 AM
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Why shouldn't thorn be nerfed in pvp (Resonable discussion)
Thorn is much better than every single weapon in pvp and if you believe in a balanced pvp you should want a nerf. If u don't tell me why. Please have well though out answers and no shit like 'git gud'. Be sensible
Edit: please try be constructive. I want this to be a discussion not people crying and moaning everywhere
Edit: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1L7FV9l4hXo2tHD3XlFUp854XvJIwTKFIPvASLduPPS4/htmlview?pli=1
Have a look at this
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1 ReplyEdited by phatboyzz: 6/6/2015 8:56:09 PMBuff Autos, Buff Scouts, Buff Fusions It is all even now bitches.
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Edited by Masters IFLS: 6/6/2015 9:47:43 PMMany ways to counter thorn. Tips like don't repeatedly run out to the sniper lane you just got Thorned from. Try flanking with a grenade ready and don't come around a corner at ground level with your head just ready for him. Talk to the team and tell them his last known location. He will be hunted down and pressured making the bad Thorn users feel frustrated. Played this way and you make the 2 head shots and dot he needs to kill you harder to get. Then you have weapon counters like red death, the last word and I'm sure lot's more. Just my opinion here of course. Edit. Forgot the obvious. If you are all of a sudden green, find cover because you have been Thorned. (a thorn user)
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I think a reasonable nerf would be one of three things: Nerf the DoT. It should do just a little less damage, or stop if the one who applied the effect dies. This would make it less of a "crutch" (quotes to satisfy the thorn fanatics) and make it less reliant on the DoT to kill. Second possible nerf could be a range nerf. When it can countersnipe snipers [i]on the complete other side of skyshock[/i], that's kinda bull. So a range nerf could work. Final possibility, apply both nerfs, but with reduced effects. Instead of a major range nerf, make it a minor, while reducing the DoT nerf in whatever form it takes. That makes it so it isn't nerfed into oblivion even though multiple things were nerfed. Just my two cents on how the nerf should go and still keep both camps happyish
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Edited by oT E M P E 5 To : 6/6/2015 9:33:58 PMIron banner = 365 fate bringer (seriously, try it) crucible = thorn. Or 'ill will' for both. To be honest, it's much more powerful than thorn. It's a 2 shot headshot as the impact is almost maxed. It only has 7 bullets, but when you've rolled 'luck in the chamber' and 'final round' you've essentially rolled the Xbox edition if hawk moon.
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I speak for the majority I don't care really
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Vex red death tlw hawkmoon they are supposed to be powerful they are exotics the real problem here is how useless ARs are. Thats all
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3 RepliesAll it could use is a decrease in rate of fire, and big decrease in range. I run thorn 99% of the time (check my stats if you don't believe me) and I agree that I shouldn't be able to out gun a sniper and a scout rifle at long distances, which I do outgun them 90% of the time. It's range needs to go down a hell a lot
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3 RepliesEdited by ISpeakLOGIC: 6/6/2015 8:38:05 PMTHORN IS OP. (.36) is how fast you can land two head shots, which with the Thorn's stability, isn't too hard for competent players. Of course the enemy isn't immediately dead after two head shots, they still have to burn (so they're basically zombies after two head shots). I accept the number .36 as Thorn's true TTKC because most players blink away to cover after doming someone twice. .36 is MILES above ALL other weapons. That number is better than most LMGs! And the "stay out of close quarters" is an even less valid solution to countering this gun because of its range. Fix: Remove the send it perk from Thorn's tree and reduce its RoF by around 5%.
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2 RepliesThorn is op because it acts like any other normal hand cannon, but has the damage over time, so people don't need to master using thorn because its just a normal firing hand cannon whereas last word is not. It takes skill to master. Those who cant use last word just use thorn because at the end of the day, it takes way less skill than last word.
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I don't want it to go back to its original state as one of the worst exotics. The bounty I'd do hard why not reward the owner with a good gun
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2 Replies⊂_ヽ. Another ＼＼ ＿ ＼( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) < ⌒ヽ / へ＼ / / ＼＼ Thorn ﾚ ノ ヽ_つ / / / /| ( (ヽ | |、＼ | 丿 ＼ ⌒) | | ) / `ノ ) Lﾉ Post (_／
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Duck & cover.
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I like sake monster's suggestion of poison damage only kicking in when crit shots are met. My suggestion in conjunction would be that if I kill enemy DoT stops.
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2 RepliesFirst off, gonna start by saying I have no issue with Thorn (except that in terrible with it), i'm just proposing an idea. Personally, I would like to see auto rifles buffed to be more in line with the rest of the guns. Anyway, here's the idea: Make Thorn's DoT applicable ONLY to headshots. That way, truly skilled and elite PvPers won't really be nerfed at all and the 2 headshot kill is still possible, but everyone else who is using it as a crutch will have to get better if they wanna have the DoT bonus. There it is, Thorn gets slightly less good, but only in the wrong hands.
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Decrease the stability slight drop to fire rate and chance to do linger
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In reality all weapons should be overpowered not underpowered like the full auto's. Every weapon should be able to kill whether its' an auto rifle, scout rifle, sidearm, or etc... And unfortunately all the constant nerfing has caused a severe unbalance to the pvp arena, and will continue to do so if we keeping getting nothing but nerfs.
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PVP? YesX need thorn. PVE? Thorn can't even kill a shank lol so yeah....
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Nerf thorn and buff gjallarhorn
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3 RepliesIf they Nerf thorn I'm worried it would kill the gun completely. I'm happy with it right now. Thorn tlw red death vex and even suros are used in crucible a lot. If thorn was really so op why do we continue to see people using these other guns. Thorn is only op in the right hands and any thorn user can switch to tlw and still make kids cry every game because handcannons reward skill that's why they feel op.
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Put the mag back down to like 6-7 and reduce reload speed slightly. The gun is good but reducing DoT or damage makes it useless as it then has the same kill times as a legendary.
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The only real issue with it is the range
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If it gets nerfed it better only be for pvp. As long as it stays exactly the same in pve, go ahead and nerf it to oblivion for all I care. I just don't want what happened to SUROS to happen to thorn.
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2 RepliesI think it's fine the way it is because it's still hard to use but if someone is skilled with it then the DOT is a little much and that range is just overly ridiculous. I will only use it when the whole opposing team has it and I hate getting killed by it especially the DOT but I still don't think they should nerf it, other guns can easily outplay it.
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I do think it is too good. However, I think if it gets a nerf it will ruin it in pve and it will just be another suros regime. Instead, I think they should buff autos
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8 RepliesEdited by Dolfinx (stepscreeb): 6/6/2015 4:52:48 PMIf they nerf thorn they nerf last word and vex(again) they are meant to be over powering guns son. They are meant to be difficult to play against, I use my thorn and vex and a sexy assortment of shotguns. They re hard to et exotics for a reason. I they were just handed out I would understand but they aren't so stop complaining and... [spoiler]Gwet gwood scwub[/spoiler]
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There are way too many people using it, that's the problem
