[quote]Greetings fellow Guardians,
I think a large number of you are aware at this point of the standoff that's been going on between a portion of the community and Bungie over the issue of matchmaking. If you've been on the forums the last week+, you know that I have been involved in this and have tried to reason along with hundreds of other guardians why this issue is so important to us.
I have to admit that I was pretty down yesterday. I'd posted on Bungie's stance of not only silence, but removal of posts from the Trending and Highest Rated categories... only to have them remove it too an hour later. As I told another Guardian who found theirself angry with their post removed today, censorship sucks... but when you find you're the one being censored, it is literally like a kick in the gut and it is really hard to not take it personally.
I never intended to be here writing these posts, but sometimes you end up places in life where you're given a choice. I love the game and have been a Bungie fan since '02, I don't want to be adversaries with them.
So here I am reaching out to you all again (and Bungie, if they care to listen) in one more attempt to convey that we're just trying to reach the same goal of making Destiny the best game it can be.
Thank you,
Lost Sols[/quote]
So I was thinking about all of this this morning. The mm issue, the forum censorship, the hardline stance by Bungie and the division this has caused between members of the community as well as the disconnect between us and Bungie at this point.
Yesterday was a struggle and I wasn't sure what today would bring. Then at about 5:30 this morning the supportive posts started coming in and not just from those that have been backing this cause, but new voices adding their support. That helped bouy my spirits quite a bit, but then something else happened.
These messages lit up.
[quote]Make friends scrub[/quote]
[quote]Go to computer games if you want in game matchmaking idiot.[/quote]
[quote]Wow your pretty stupid why would there be in game matchmaking were playing on consoles not PCs FYI..[/quote]
Nothing terribly over the top for the forums for sure. Muted one. Replied to the other two. One's response was "Queer". It opened my eyes and brought this whole week into focus. This isn't just about whether or not there should or shouldn't be matchmaking in Destiny, this is about showing tolerance for other people and points of view (and yes, it goes both ways).
There's no doubt LFG and clans can be great ways to meet people and experience games with them. I don't think anyone who wants matchmaking would deny that.
Something else that cannot be denied is indelibly a part of both of those avenues of meeting people is that they're both built on the foundation of not only inclusion, but exclusion as well. This isn't to draw all who use LFG or have clans under one umbrella, but a staple of both forms of grouping is intolerance, preconception and segregation.
We've all read hundreds of posts along the lines of "kicked from raid for not having Gjally", "can't get into PoE because don't have Thorn", "kicked a squeaker before loot because he was annoying", etc.
Now how many of the thousands of clans or LFG groups actually discriminate against people (gear, age, voice, gender, race, etc)? My guess is that whatever the %, it is far in the minority, but that brings us to the issue of matchmaking.
Matchmaking is inherently everything LFG is not. There is no bias, there is no prejudice going in, there is no "must be 32, have big Gjally". Matchmaking treats everyone as equals and some may argue that's for better or worse, but I can say this for a fact.
When I'm queueing for a random matchmade game, I don't care if you are old, young, black, white, Asian, straight, gay, male, female, deep voiced or a squeaker. I don't care if you're using Gjallarhorn, Dragon's Breath, Thorn, Up for Anything or any other weapon. All I care is that you try and you do your best at whatever we are trying to achieve. If you have a mic and want to talk that's great. If you just want to play and know what to do, that's great too.
The argument that is waged the most against matchmaking is that people won't have mics, they won't have the right weapons, they'll be annoying, they'll be quitters, they'll be scrubs, they'll need to be carried through...
The problem is that you don't know what someone is if you never give them a chance. When you tell someone they can't join your group because you don't like their gear or the sound of their voice, you have no idea who the person is that you are turning away. You don't know their capabilities, skill or willingness to do whatever the team needs. You're also not taking a chance to know someone that could potentially end up being a great friend.
It's a lesson that could heal so much of what is wrong in this world if we just stopped the FEAR, stopped the HATE and stopped the MISTRUST and started giving each other a chance and realizing we're all the same. We have one life on this planet to live together the best we can, to love the best we can, to make what friends we can and provide the best life and make this world the best place it can be for our families and children.
Destiny is a [i]game[/i]. If someone dies and your raid group wipes, it's not going to take food from your table, money from your pocket or draw any blood. So why get mad? Why disparage? Why not help them get better if they need it instead?
We are all here because we love playing Destiny. There will always be those that are better and those that need a helping hand. There is no greater chance of coming across someone who is just a bad person in matchmaking as there is in LFG, it's just a misconception and lie perpetuated and hidden behind so people can pick and choose whom they experience content with.
The maddening thing is that we are asking in these posts for an option to use matchmaking, so it would have no affect on those that didn't want to use it anyway.
Not everyone is going to be a social butterfly. Not everyone is going to have any extra time to go get on their computer and LFG. Not everyone HAS a computer or smartphone to team up outside the game. Not everyone wants to be friends or in a clan, they just want someone to run and experience some content with. Maybe someone isn't talking because they are deaf. Maybe they can't reach out online because they have social anxiety disorder. Maybe they don't want to try to join a clan for fear of rejection.
It doesn't matter why someone doesn't want to go outside the game to play it because that is no one's decision or right to judge but their own. Should they be punished and excluded from access to the heart of endgame play because of their reasons?
That is the question everyone, including Bungie with their "Philosophy" need to look inside and ask themselves.
Bungie.
I've saved you for last because I'm sorry, but you've been the biggest disappointment in all of this. You created this game and asked us to populate it. You created this forum and asked us to give thoughts, opinions and feedback to help improve the world of Destiny. You said...
[quote]Player feedback is one of the most important components of the conversation on Bungie.net[/quote]
[quote]Bungie thrives on feedback. Never feel like you need to stick up for us when you see someone expressing an honest opinion about our games. We’re harder on ourselves than anyone else.[/quote]
[quote]If you’d like to see new items placed on this list, start a New Topic on this Feedback board. Popular opinion matters! Topics that trend on this forum are more powerful than comments on this post.[/quote]
You told us to forge our own destiny and to become legend.
Well here we are, Bungie. We've purchased your game. We've spent thousands of hours in your world. We have fought the Fallen, Hive, Vex and Cabal. Travelled to Mars, the moon and Venus. We have fought in the Crucible and strived for success in Iron Banner. We have populated these forums. We have offered feedback and suggestions. We have started new topics and we have supported each other and posts and ideas for a better Destiny that we believe matter.
We've done everything you have asked of us and we've given and invested ourselves in this game. And here we are with a genuine concern and feeling of exclusion and we come to these forums and reach out to you in this medium you've created for us. We've been eloquent, fair and we've made genuine efforts to educate, engage, understand and find common ground and we've grown and learned more about each other all along the way.
We've poured our energy and emotions into this and in return we've been given a few stock replies, ignored and worst of all, these topics you've asked us to create, these ideas you've asked us to share, have been routinely and thoroughly censored by removing them from the 2 most visible forum tabs.
We've genuinely tried reaching out to you in the hopes of finding understanding and repairing this disconnect. I've stated this before and I'll say it again. We are not adversaries.
[quote]I'm really conflicted at the moment. I am so grateful for the way the community have banded together to support each other and this community desire, but I'm also genuinely saddened at the stance that has been taken against us. This was a call to reason, not war.[/quote]
I never wanted to write that.
I hope you're listening and I hope you come back to the table. We're not asking for you to do anything you can't, we're just asking you to consider a different point of view.
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Edited by Sergentkooter: 6/1/2015 1:50:17 AMThis America and we want matchmaking so give it to us!!!! Or else! http://youtu.be/nfK9UPEQavo
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You have my full support, man. Very well written.
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I've been following match-making posts on the for a while now, not just this last week. It's these last two weeks, once House of Wolves dropped and we realized that we were excluded from even more of the game, that it really exploded. Those of use without the time for a clan or LFG have found that HoW added a slightly more interested Patrol mode and the lowest level Prison of Elders (with the worst loot). Many of us are too low-level to satisfy LFG. We need a group, though, to increase our level. We are poorly armed, in some cases, and are avoided like lepers because the community, even the "hardcore" gamers, don't want a challenge. They want a cake-walk. One thing I've enjoyed about all the match-making modes is knowing that no matter how we're armed, we can adapt to take on the challenge. In the non-matchmade modes, it should be even easier, due to the necessary mic/verbal communication. Another point I'd make about exclusion is that it's not just about what weapons or level a Guardian is. I've read multiple threads on this very forum from individuals who are somehow disabled. They are deaf, or they stutter. They have physical limitations to the amount of verbal communication they are capable of over a headset. And they get mocked and kicked when they've tried to raid. They've come to these forums to plead for in-game written communication tools, not to seek sympathy, but it still sticks out to me. LFG, and many clans, have no use for those who may need them the most. And I'll just leave this here, as I doubt Bungie will implement matchmaking anytime soon: If you have a situation like this, and you're having trouble finding people to play with, hit me up. I'll play with you. I don't have Ghallarjorn, but I can still kick some alien ass. Gamertag and username are one and the same. Those in the community who fight against optional matchmaking are a very vocal [i]minority[/i]. They're the assholes you'd meet in match-making, if they didn't already have a group of like-minded shitheads to run with. They don't [i]have[/i] a sense of community. They have a sense of their super-secret club (no girls allowed). They don't care that others don't have that. That's not [i]their[/i] problem. And truthfully, they aren't ours, either. They held their petition and garnered a mere 650 replies. Not all of which were "signing" the petition. Bungie knows this. They know what the community wants. They ignore what the community wants. We only have to look at the Weekly Update to see this. They mention the Trials, and the treasure keys. They mention bugs here and there. Not one thing has been said about the complete and utter lack of matchmaking, or the fact that the community has been screaming for it. Well, no direct mention. Just the constant stream of "Community Focus" on third-party resources doing Bungie's job for them. Spotlights on clans that can't be joined, or on LFG websites (whose issues have already been discussed). Or subreddits that "joke" about requiring Gjallarhorn. A subtle backhand to those of us who want a proper game with proper options. You didn't want a war. Bungie refuses to prevent one. I'm here to fight. I'm here to make my voice heard. But I don't know if I'll be here when Bungie finally concedes. It's looking more and more like they've lost my business for good. It breaks my heart, in a way. I jumped in on Halo 2. It was amazing. It was the first game I played online with friends, and I'll never forget that. But it, and Halo 3, look like the last games of Bungie's that I'll ever play again.
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Edited by unspoken threats: 6/1/2015 4:25:12 AMchat needs to be opt-out and not opt-in. the anti-social people you speak of, myself included, and I've made a thread on such, need to be forced into interaction. I made shit tons of friends playing black ops 1 simply because their multiplayer format pushed you into the circle of conversation thus creating the option to mute or converse. when you're doing crucible, PoE 28 or a weekly chat should be opt out. most people will not toggle it off and subsequently friendships will manifest. when this happens it doesn't matter if they're level 34 nor does it matter if they have maxed out gjallarhorns...a relationship forms, not the converse equivalent to a classified, impersonal list of credentials (LFGs). you'll want to help your buddy. they're not a stranger on the corner panhandling anymore. that's what this games come to and this is the best alternative, in my eyes, to no match making.
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I know in my previous post I said I wont post again but I have :P support me if you can https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/126316372/0/0 thank you
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Over 9000!!!!!
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+1 million bumps to op for the best opinion on this site ever. + 99 Dirty Sanchez for DeeJ and bungie staff. As you could never score 100 in anything even if it is bad.
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Your post is too long and a waste of time. You must've been high when you wrote it.
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Lol the standoff You're embarrassing yourself at this point kid
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Bump!
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This was so sincerely heart felt and genuine.. Your love for the game and people who play it is amazing and I felt pretty bad reading this and acknowledging that what you said is really happening. I've stood behind you before Sols and I'm going to do it again. Keep it up man!
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They did this to that Taco guy a while back, just keep posting it out bump your thread every hour. Keep at it, it seems like you're getting traction.
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Again Thank you sir, for the well written expression of thoughts and ideas. Great points and a wonderfully constructed message that I hope Bungie takes the time to read, as many of us have. Have a great day my fellow guardian.
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There's a lot of player support for matchmaking it seems, I know I've bumped, liked, and commented on several MM posts, I've posted on yours as a matter of fact. The gift of gab is strong with your sir. I'll keep fighting the good fight and doing my part to show support. Have a good day/night man. I'll be back on the forums tomorrow, reading and commenting. Enjoy the well earned bump.
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My view for a long time.. "Don't be destructive, be constructive".. Here's a well deserved bump friend, if you're on XboxOne than add me Gtag: Mr z MillZzY
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Matchmaking would be so nice! I'm always playing destiny at weird hours when all my buds are offline and LFG doesn't always work out so it definitely wouldn't hurt to put that feature into the game.. Nice work bro
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Edited by SaleenSR: 6/1/2015 12:59:41 AM[spoiler][quote]"Kicked a squeaker before loot because he was annoying."[/quote] I felt bad for second then broke out laughing.[/spoiler]
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Censored and removed from trending and highest rated in record time. Thank you for showing your true mettle, Bungie.
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Thank for being able to write what so many others, myself included have wanted to say. We need more posts like this and less of the usual negative one line responses. Being diplomatic about your argument has always been more successful that straight up negativity. I truly hope Bungie has been reading these forums over the past week. Some great threads have popped up with some great suggestions. I will continue to support your and everyone else's efforts.
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Bump!!!!!!!
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Bump.
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Bump and il repost
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Are you paid by the word, or something? How can someone write so much, yet be incapable of making two friends?