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Edited by Lost Sols: 12/7/2015 3:07:53 AM
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Intolerance. Gaming, Destiny and finding common ground in an online world.

[quote]Greetings fellow Guardians, I think a large number of you are aware at this point of the standoff that's been going on between a portion of the community and Bungie over the issue of matchmaking. If you've been on the forums the last week+, you know that I have been involved in this and have tried to reason along with hundreds of other guardians why this issue is so important to us. I have to admit that I was pretty down yesterday. I'd posted on Bungie's stance of not only silence, but removal of posts from the Trending and Highest Rated categories... only to have them remove it too an hour later. As I told another Guardian who found theirself angry with their post removed today, censorship sucks... but when you find you're the one being censored, it is literally like a kick in the gut and it is really hard to not take it personally. I never intended to be here writing these posts, but sometimes you end up places in life where you're given a choice. I love the game and have been a Bungie fan since '02, I don't want to be adversaries with them. So here I am reaching out to you all again (and Bungie, if they care to listen) in one more attempt to convey that we're just trying to reach the same goal of making Destiny the best game it can be. Thank you, Lost Sols[/quote] So I was thinking about all of this this morning. The mm issue, the forum censorship, the hardline stance by Bungie and the division this has caused between members of the community as well as the disconnect between us and Bungie at this point. Yesterday was a struggle and I wasn't sure what today would bring. Then at about 5:30 this morning the supportive posts started coming in and not just from those that have been backing this cause, but new voices adding their support. That helped bouy my spirits quite a bit, but then something else happened. These messages lit up. [quote]Make friends scrub[/quote] [quote]Go to computer games if you want in game matchmaking idiot.[/quote] [quote]Wow your pretty stupid why would there be in game matchmaking were playing on consoles not PCs FYI..[/quote] Nothing terribly over the top for the forums for sure. Muted one. Replied to the other two. One's response was "Queer". It opened my eyes and brought this whole week into focus. This isn't just about whether or not there should or shouldn't be matchmaking in Destiny, this is about showing tolerance for other people and points of view (and yes, it goes both ways). There's no doubt LFG and clans can be great ways to meet people and experience games with them. I don't think anyone who wants matchmaking would deny that. Something else that cannot be denied is indelibly a part of both of those avenues of meeting people is that they're both built on the foundation of not only inclusion, but exclusion as well. This isn't to draw all who use LFG or have clans under one umbrella, but a staple of both forms of grouping is intolerance, preconception and segregation. We've all read hundreds of posts along the lines of "kicked from raid for not having Gjally", "can't get into PoE because don't have Thorn", "kicked a squeaker before loot because he was annoying", etc. Now how many of the thousands of clans or LFG groups actually discriminate against people (gear, age, voice, gender, race, etc)? My guess is that whatever the %, it is far in the minority, but that brings us to the issue of matchmaking. Matchmaking is inherently everything LFG is not. There is no bias, there is no prejudice going in, there is no "must be 32, have big Gjally". Matchmaking treats everyone as equals and some may argue that's for better or worse, but I can say this for a fact. When I'm queueing for a random matchmade game, I don't care if you are old, young, black, white, Asian, straight, gay, male, female, deep voiced or a squeaker. I don't care if you're using Gjallarhorn, Dragon's Breath, Thorn, Up for Anything or any other weapon. All I care is that you try and you do your best at whatever we are trying to achieve. If you have a mic and want to talk that's great. If you just want to play and know what to do, that's great too. The argument that is waged the most against matchmaking is that people won't have mics, they won't have the right weapons, they'll be annoying, they'll be quitters, they'll be scrubs, they'll need to be carried through... The problem is that you don't know what someone is if you never give them a chance. When you tell someone they can't join your group because you don't like their gear or the sound of their voice, you have no idea who the person is that you are turning away. You don't know their capabilities, skill or willingness to do whatever the team needs. You're also not taking a chance to know someone that could potentially end up being a great friend. It's a lesson that could heal so much of what is wrong in this world if we just stopped the FEAR, stopped the HATE and stopped the MISTRUST and started giving each other a chance and realizing we're all the same. We have one life on this planet to live together the best we can, to love the best we can, to make what friends we can and provide the best life and make this world the best place it can be for our families and children. Destiny is a [i]game[/i]. If someone dies and your raid group wipes, it's not going to take food from your table, money from your pocket or draw any blood. So why get mad? Why disparage? Why not help them get better if they need it instead? We are all here because we love playing Destiny. There will always be those that are better and those that need a helping hand. There is no greater chance of coming across someone who is just a bad person in matchmaking as there is in LFG, it's just a misconception and lie perpetuated and hidden behind so people can pick and choose whom they experience content with. The maddening thing is that we are asking in these posts for an option to use matchmaking, so it would have no affect on those that didn't want to use it anyway. Not everyone is going to be a social butterfly. Not everyone is going to have any extra time to go get on their computer and LFG. Not everyone HAS a computer or smartphone to team up outside the game. Not everyone wants to be friends or in a clan, they just want someone to run and experience some content with. Maybe someone isn't talking because they are deaf. Maybe they can't reach out online because they have social anxiety disorder. Maybe they don't want to try to join a clan for fear of rejection. It doesn't matter why someone doesn't want to go outside the game to play it because that is no one's decision or right to judge but their own. Should they be punished and excluded from access to the heart of endgame play because of their reasons? That is the question everyone, including Bungie with their "Philosophy" need to look inside and ask themselves. Bungie. I've saved you for last because I'm sorry, but you've been the biggest disappointment in all of this. You created this game and asked us to populate it. You created this forum and asked us to give thoughts, opinions and feedback to help improve the world of Destiny. You said... [quote]Player feedback is one of the most important components of the conversation on Bungie.net[/quote] [quote]Bungie thrives on feedback. Never feel like you need to stick up for us when you see someone expressing an honest opinion about our games. We’re harder on ourselves than anyone else.[/quote] [quote]If you’d like to see new items placed on this list, start a New Topic on this Feedback board. Popular opinion matters! Topics that trend on this forum are more powerful than comments on this post.[/quote] You told us to forge our own destiny and to become legend. Well here we are, Bungie. We've purchased your game. We've spent thousands of hours in your world. We have fought the Fallen, Hive, Vex and Cabal. Travelled to Mars, the moon and Venus. We have fought in the Crucible and strived for success in Iron Banner. We have populated these forums. We have offered feedback and suggestions. We have started new topics and we have supported each other and posts and ideas for a better Destiny that we believe matter. We've done everything you have asked of us and we've given and invested ourselves in this game. And here we are with a genuine concern and feeling of exclusion and we come to these forums and reach out to you in this medium you've created for us. We've been eloquent, fair and we've made genuine efforts to educate, engage, understand and find common ground and we've grown and learned more about each other all along the way. We've poured our energy and emotions into this and in return we've been given a few stock replies, ignored and worst of all, these topics you've asked us to create, these ideas you've asked us to share, have been routinely and thoroughly censored by removing them from the 2 most visible forum tabs. We've genuinely tried reaching out to you in the hopes of finding understanding and repairing this disconnect. I've stated this before and I'll say it again. We are not adversaries. [quote]I'm really conflicted at the moment. I am so grateful for the way the community have banded together to support each other and this community desire, but I'm also genuinely saddened at the stance that has been taken against us. This was a call to reason, not war.[/quote] I never wanted to write that. I hope you're listening and I hope you come back to the table. We're not asking for you to do anything you can't, we're just asking you to consider a different point of view.

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  • Deep within the bowels of the Basement of Bungie…. Dev1: “Hey there John Ryan, the Boss just wanted me to check in on how the story is progressing? Have you managed to fill in any of the plot holes like what caused the great collapse?” John: “As you know I’ve been holed up in here for weeks day and night researching, and working this particular problem out, and I’ve come up with the only possible explanation” Dev1: “That’s great! Let’s hear it?” John: “Chuck Norris” Dev1: “Wait what?” John: “Yes Chuck Norris and Master Chief caused the collapse of the golden age” Dev1: “And Master Chief? That’s ridiculous” John: “Let me explain… Basically Master Chief gets really really drunk one night, and says to Chuck Norris “I’ve saved the universe at least 5 times, and you haven’t even done it once, you need to get good bro!!” This naturally enrages Chuck Norris into kicking the entire universes Ass” Dev1: “But why would Chuck murder Billions of people, isn’t he a good guy?” John: “Naturally Chuck realizes that he owns the entire universe, but he’s not exactly tolerant of illegal Aliens, after all he is from Texas” Dev1: “…. We’re in trouble, I wonder if I can get my job back at Konami”

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    • I don't see how I could hate on this post at all, it's the truth, I can almost regret buying Destiny at this point.

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      • [quote]You give a little love and it all comes back to you. We're gonna be remembered for the things that we say and do.[/quote]

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      • last night could not get into a PoE lv32 Group because I don't have gallahorn, tried a hard mode crota raid and got kicked out at crota because I did not have gallahorn, wtf bungie, give us optional matchmaking in all the content, it wont hurt anyone and I'd like to see the reasons why it would?

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        • Why not use the website www.the100.io....this allows you to pick and choose times and missions. Matchmaking the games yourself. Takes less than 5 minutes to generate a profile. See you guys around the universe!!!!

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        • who is not going to buy the next dlc, unless certain things change

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        • Could you imagine if all the people who cry for optional matchmaking just friended each other? Problem solved......

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          • The ONLY thing that pisses me off about these continuous posts about MM is this. You say bungie has been silent. THEY ALREADY ANSWERED YOU! They said NOOOOOOOO! Do you understand? Deej said no. Devs said NO! NO NO NO! I completely understand people are upset about it, I really do. I just don't understand the point of asking for it day in an day out. The answer is NO. They have no plans to add MM for end game. Only looking into an in game LFG mechanic. And that's it! Accept it, move on, use LFG or make friends during strikes or freaking quit. Those are your only options......

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            • I'm sorry man, I read the whole thing and I frequent the boards and I haven't seen any posts being taken down... These issues are really not that dramatic. I mean Jesus man, there are people starving in the world and you are acting ridiculous about a game's core concepts outlined by the company that created it. I hate to be that guy... But maybe Destiny is simply not the game for you, and that's ok. If I felt a fraction of hurt and betrayal the you have expressed here, I would never support said game or developer. Wake up man, it's just a game. Enjoy the massive amounts of hours you are putting into it.

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              • Bump for Truth.

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              • Daily bump!

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                  • This isn't about destiny at this point. If this continues, it will only get worse. Every devil-developer, will force this out-of-game 3rd party social networking requirement in order to access in-game, end-game content. More promo, less work, more money. The golden stream team, who they promo in dlc trailers. Is it coming together? I don't want to get censored, but start looking into the motive$ behind these decisions.

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                    • Can we at least come to a general conclusion that there are simply some activites where you NEED to build a group? Raids, Prison of Elders, etc. NEED a level of communication that, from my personal experience, you simply WON'T GET without actually digging for good people. The Destiny community has quickly become infested with whiny nerf-herders, squeaky brats, elitist assholes and most recently (according to the forums) hackers and despicable cheating scum. Simple fact is that I do NOT want a chance at being matched up with such people, and they need to be weeded out and distanced from this community. Cut out akin to a cancerous tumor in the body. Even then, Matchmaking for Weekly Strikes/Roc Strikes ALONE I had both of my partners dropping out at the VERY START OF THE STRIKE about 75% of the time. Could you imagine the Hell that would go down during a Nightfall, LET ALONE a Raid, or Heaven forbid, the Prison of Elders? The Call of Duty "lobby shopping/hate to lose" mentality is beginning to fester and stink. We can't allow it to continue.

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                      • You've been heard. Your opinion has been noted. IGN and Forbes are with you yay! What else do you want and why keep making the same posts repeatedly? If your opinions are heard and nothing happens usually that means it's not a good idea.

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                        • Having no boundaries is exactly why matchmaking will yield a very small success rate. There are zero requirements for matchmaking other than your level. If I'm able to turn it off, and not be a part of the matchmaking system, I do not care if they implement it or not. The only thing I fear is they bring matchmaking to raids and night falls, and I'm stuck being forced to play with ransoms every day.

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                          • Treat others the way you would like to be treated. Its simple and will make your life better x1000.

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                          • https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/126545169/0/0

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                          • You see those first insults? Imagine how great it is for people who believe some weapon is unbalanced and then suddenly get bashed. Everybody want to enhance their destiny experience in different ways. And they get bashed for stating their opinion just like you. Even if you don't agree, this should be standard: be respectful. All I can say to that is simply report these post to get them blocked from the forums and stop the trolling.

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                            • This isn't that big a deal right? Like, people don't care about looking for two people enough to start spamming this topic around, right?

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                              • Finally matchmaking has been added to the community wishlist, but please be aware everyone this is not a win for the community but more of a let's add it to shut them up. Until it is actually implemented into the game we should never give up our campaign. All we have succeeded in doing here is pushing the battle forward a little bit taken over another trench, our victory will be when every player has the chance to complete all activities offered in the game without having to use 3rd party apps or Internet sites to do so.

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