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5/29/2015 2:59:36 AM
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There's one thing that needs clarifying for me: So god created Adam and Eve, then they had Cain and Abel. Cain kills Abel and is sent to the land of Nod, so who the hell are the people in the land of Nod (I mean, Cain found his wife there, correct?)? Where'd they come from?
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  • Who said the Bible had to be interpreted literally? Most of Christendom throughout history prior to the Reformation and even then, prior to the 1978 Chicago Statement saw metaphor and allegory as viable methods for interpreting it. Origen of Alexandria in particular especially utilized this method, which in turn inspired Ss. Gregory of Nyssa and Basil the Great. In fact, most of the Alexandrian Church Fathers interpreted the Bible in such a way. The Orthodox Church still does to this day. Contrary to Evangelicals who tell you the Bible must be interpreted literally and that anything else is a liberal modernization, history actually says the opposite.

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  • So if the original sin was a figurative story why did Jesus have to die?

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  • Well now you're touching upon two topics which slightly overlap. And with how much I love to talk, you may be in for a long post. For one, the Orthodox Church doesn't believe in Original Sin to begin with regardless of whether or not one holds a figurative or literalistic interpretation of Genesis. We rather believe that Death itself was the problem, that Christ needed to die in order to destroy Death itself through the Resurrection. At Pascha we proclaim "Christ is risen from the dead trampling down death by death and upon those in the tomb bestowing life." It has nothing to do with appeasing a wrath, scapegoating, or paying off a grudge. Such views didn't even exist until Anselm misinterpreted St. Augustine in the 11th century after Rome committed schism. This is called Penal Atonement or Penal Substitutionary and the Orthodox Church has never accepted it. In fact, we regard it as heretical because it makes God the Father out to be the villain of the story. That said, in the Orthodox Church we would regard Original Sin as an erroneous doctrine regardless of whether or not one interprets Genesis figuratively or literalistically. As to whether Genesis needs to be interpreted in either manner, there is no dogma. Both ways are permissible, not really seen as necessary for Salvation. Again, many of the Church Fathers and Saints interpreted the story allegorically and figuratively, so anyone who says it has to be interpreted in a 100% literalistic fashion is ignoring history. Origen of Alexandria for example interpreted the Garden of Eden as a metaphor for the human heart and Adam & Eve as metaphors for humanity. The Psalm which says blessed are those who bash infants' heads against the Rock was interpreted as meaning blessed are those who stomp out their sins in their earliest stages through Jesus Christ who is called "rock" in the New Testament. The prohibition against the consumption of pork, according to the epistle of St. Barnabus, was interpreted as meaning to not behave like pigs who only come to their master when they are hungry but otherwise ignore him--in other words, don't just see God as a genie whenever you want something.

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  • You do love to talk.

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  • I guess that's just the way I think, I was raised around several evangelical people (Nazarenes, grandpa started a church and was s minister)

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    Fact, all mankind would be banished... Referring to Adam and eves later offspring

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  • Edited by angry0lbgrampa: 5/29/2015 6:26:05 PM
    It never says Adam and Eve were the only creation. The bible says all mankind was kicked from the garden.

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  • No. That's a story. Story meaning not true.

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  • Well, the whole thing is a story

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