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5/28/2015 8:01:21 AM
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So you're saying scientists should just give up and say "God did it" because the answer hasn't been presented to them?
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No because that would be silly of them as scientists. As scientists, they want to know why. They go to whatever lengths to find out why. But I don't think you can ever truly find the answer to every question. Once you answer one question, it creates another question. So what I'm say is that scientists will never truly have all the answers, therefore making it incomprehensible.
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Science likes finding the 'how' more than the 'why.'
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What caused God?
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God is stated to be the only eternal being (Revelation 22:13) from which everything manifested from (John 1:3). Because, by definition, he created time; thus, He isn't limited by the time dimension He created, making logical that He doesn't require a cause.
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But he does require evidence to assume he exists.
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My point when asking that question wasn't wether or not it's possible, it was an attempt to prod him to say that he always was so I could say that it wouldn't be so crazy for him to think that the matter that could cause a big bang always existed.
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What caused anything? The argument is redundant. I'm sure there are others that could answer these type questions but I don't think anyone could ever really fulfill a proper answer because the questions you ask are specially to attempt to break the one in whom you are asking, you aren't really looking for an answer.
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I'm answering a question with a question. If you believe that God always was then it wouldn't be too far-fetched to believe that the matter to cause a big-bang always existed.
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But the Big Bang evidently is no longer existing.
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I could even go to lengths to say that God was the one who ignited the big bang. But there are simply too many differences in what the bible says and what the theory of the big bang says. I understand that a lot of biblical teachings are difficult to accept simply because of how a lot of things seem to happen supernaturally. But I believe in the supernatural. I believe people have special gifts that others don't. I believe in ghosts and an afterlife. I believe in demons as well. No matter what you believe it, there is always something about it that someone can call you out on and call far-fetched or impossible. That is something I expected.
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I personally believe (and have some experiences) of "supernatural" God things. Doesn't mean you can disregard a facet of science because it says "theory" and contradicts a part of the bible.
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You're an agnostic deist?
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I'm an oxymoron. Is it possible to be undecided with a slight bias due to familiarity with one side?
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In a way it does. If a theory contradicts the bible, then it is saying that what the bible says isn't true. So I can either disregard it, or I can say "Hey, your theory is interesting but I think something may be a little off because it doesn't mesh with the bible at all and contradicts what it says." But of course scientists won't do that. Therefore I am more interested in bible-friendly theories. And there are many Christian scientists who have theories, but they are simply just way less popular than the others.
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I can't think of many theories, or possible theories that would discredit the bible other than a theory that explicitly does so. Theories like evolution and the Big Bang in no way discredit the bible.
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Im going to reply to you and Quasi both to make sure you see this... A very interesting book on this topic is "The science of God" by Gerald Schroeder. Worth reading even if its a few years old
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The best way to reconcile scientific theories, the highest level an explanation can attain, with the bible is to take into context the knowledge available to those who wrote the bible. Or, more simply, its metaphorical.
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I have felt this to be true through out the bible, that it was attempting to handle and explain some very heavy philosophical and/or scientific theories but had to be written/passed orally in a fashion that the people of the times could understand. For an easy example revelations, some of the beast sound very much like war machines that we could identify easily but through the eyes of a person with no knowledge of such devices.
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Edited by QuasiMixture: 5/28/2015 9:11:55 AMYou visited my latest thread. Disregarding the theory isn't a good way to go. Regarding Christian scientists, a lot of the evidence that they put forth goes very well with what the bible says and is scientifically sound. Sadly, people think that popularity equals validity.
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Im going to reply to you and recoil both to make sure you see this... A very interesting book on this topic is "The science of God" by Gerald Schroeder. Worth reading even if its a few years old.
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I'm not much of a reader but I'll try to take a look at a synopsis of it at least.
