The only argument is that there is no argument. ToO flawless players unite!

While I'll agree it should be earned. There is something to think about and why the system is a little broken. Why would you only give out primary weapons with elemental damage in ToO, when those weapons would be more useful in PVE. While I don't care because I will probably still fall back on my Fate, VOC, and others it just doesn't make sense. Not everyone in this game likes or even cares to play PVP. Bungie in turn has basically said if you want the new weapons for PVE you must play PVP. Again that's fine, but you can't really expect to ask a primary PVE player just to go into the ToO and win. And saying "Get Gud Scrub" just makes you look like an ass. Again, the lighthouse should be earned, but they do need to look at the weapons. Nothing should be given away, but you can't seriously ask a PVE player to play PVP and expect them to win 9 in a row or even 9-1 or 9-2 without being carried. Not trying to argue, but just saying. I'm glad PVP'ers have something to call their own and for those that have won congrats...really congrats. Just think about what I said. Should a PVE player be forced to play PVP to get weapons that could help them in PVE? Edit: So after reading I noticed that the level 35 poe can drop elemental primaries. Didn't know that. So I will just say nevermind and leave it like it is. Except Bungie needs to increase the drop rate for those weapons. Did 7 35's last week and no drop, but it looks like if you complete the trails you will get one and it's not having to pray to the RNG gods. :) To the PVP'ers enjoy your new weapons.

It doesn't really make sense that a PvP event gives out guns that will be good in PvE... burns don't matter on PvP so I don't really get that to be honest.

Going flawless also shouldn't rely on the off chance that you can face 9 teams in a row that have no connection issues. I got shut down twice last night by inability to get past players living through golden guns shots and lagging all over the map. I even played the same lagging team twice in a row which isn't supposed to happen. Some method needs to be created so people with same quality of internet can play together.

I tried trials and I love the concept of it, and I love how you have to go flawless to get to the light house. That being said they should lock out the people/ put them in their own servers that already do flawless runs and that can always go flawless to give us less so experience guys a little more of a chance. That's all and I do know I have to get a lot better at trials

all of the PvP players now have their own little area so I hope they stop bitching about lack of PvP content. Now they can get to max level without even trying to do a nightfall or PoE. Way to level the playing field bungie! You can run 9-0 in trials in under 2 hours and you are guaranteed at LEAST 2 pieces of ethric light and yet it takes 5+ hours of a grind to get 1 pieces of ethric light from Skolas? WTF Bungie? I hope this shuts all of the elitist PvP a-holes up now. To me it seems like Bungie said "screw spending our time making raids. Lets just throw them into a deathmatch that you have to cheese to win and give the PvP guys everything they want"

Went flawless on all three characters... Isn't that hard

To me, the ToO seems like something Bungie offered to the best PvP players so that they could acquire rewards on par with raids, but not have to do any PvE content to get it. Honestly, I don't see the problem with it. And in case you think I'm one of those hardcore elite defending this, I'm not. I'm terrible at PvP, as my .5 k/d ratio will attest. I wouldn't survive 30 seconds in there. But I can still respect the gaming skill it takes to climb to the top of the heap.

There should be a way to grind yourself there, even is 9-0 is the best way. The awards there make all the best Pvp players the best Pve players due to the equipment that can only be gained there. Furthermore, its a rich getting richer scheme too, easier to get to 34, access to better weapons to keep killing the 33s faster and faster... endless feedback look. Give out exclusive ships, shaders, armor models (no exclusive perks), and class items sure... let them show off, but dont reinforce the difference between the pvp gods and the try-hards. Every week fewer and fewer guardians can access the lighthouse because the top pvpers meet and group up and go pwn the scrubs just trying to get their 5 wins for armor, or 7 wins for weapons.. You end up with a tiny pool of haves, and a tiny pool of have-nots. Say what you like, anyone (well, almost anyone) can get to crota or atheon, or level 5 iron banner on a long enough timeline, so everyone has access to the best gear Solution: If you went 9-0 one week, maybe you should only be able to go up against 9-0 people the remainder of that week, and maybe the next. That way you don thave 9-0 people continuing to slaughter 1-3 teams who are just trying to get to 34 and dont give a rats patootie about being 9-0. Sooner or later, it will drive all the people the 9-0s beat this week out of ToO.

I really, really enjoyed trials--and I'm an average crucible player who plays much more PvE than PvP. It's by far the most fun I've had in Destiny PvP, and the game mode is well-designed (with a couple notable exceptions). My two issues: [spoiler]warlocks should not be able to self-res after all three team members are dead[/spoiler] [spoiler]you should be able to re-forge Lighthouse weapons[/spoiler]

It's cool and all but there's nothing of the sort for pve players it's all catered for PVP alone. And don't even try and bring up PoE 35 lol 3 ghorns weapons of light we killed skolas before his mines even showed up...total joke and bullshit rewards for the 15 keys I've used so far lol got all "her weapons/PoE guns" I have no problem with exclusive hard to reach content but they pretty much spit in pve players faces since leveling up to 34 is even a joke now...( complete queens bounty missions, buy gauntlets, do PoE 32 and 34 and your level 34).