Alright, I need to get this off my chest. Has anyone else noticed how absolutely stupid the design of many of the weapons in Destiny are? I mean who designed these things? They make no sense! The hand cannons and LMGs especially. The cylinder sits ABOVE the barrel, and the hammer sits ABOVE the cylinder on most of them. That just wouldn't work. There is no universe in which that works. And the belts on most of the LMGs feed into a chamber that is, again, physically placed ABOVE the barrel. It's just ridiculous.
I mean, did nobody at Bungie look at these and think "yeah, that's just absurd..."?
This is a REAL hand cannon. Note how the barrel, cylinder, and hammer are all perfectly aligned. This allows the weapon to function properly.
http://i.imgur.com/vMEk2qQ.png
And this is a common Destiny hand cannon. Note how the barrel sits aligned with the very bottom of the cylinder, and the hammer is aligned with the top. It makes no sense. (we won't even go into the fact that there is no way for the bullets to even leave the cylinder on most of these...)
http://i.imgur.com/XBvpTOn.png
And most Destiny revolvers are like this.
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140624222458/destinypedia/images/d/d1/Regulator_Mk._43.jpg <an even worse offender considering how high the hammer sits, but I digress.
It would be one thing if this were a case of simply "whoever designed these obviously has no clue..." but then there's Hawkmoon. Hawkmoon is how ALL of them should be. Hawkmoon's barrel, cylinder, and hammer are all properly aligned. Hawkmoon is actually a realistic weapon. A skilled gunsmith could probably make a fully functional Hawkmoon that you could hold and fire, and which looks nearly identical to the in-game version.
http://i.imgur.com/Sdjmwmd.png
Now, there ARE real-world revolvers that have barrels mounted in a fashion in which the round in the bottom of the cylinder is fired instead of the top. An example of this is the Mateba auto-revolver. Though you notice on the Mateba, the hammer is also mounted lower, because it HAS to be in order to strike the rounds themselves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHxo2cHsits
There are others as well which don't have hammers at all, and use a firing pin system instead (sort of like a Glock), which would explain how the weapons in Destiny are able to work, though not int he case of a barrel being misaligned with the cylinder. This is also unlikely because in those instances, the hammer would be superfluous. It has no purpose... which is obviously not the case in Destiny, as all of the hand cannons have hammers.
So the design of the hand cannons is completely borked in almost every instance except Hawkmoon... let's move on to LMGs.
*sigh*
http://i.imgur.com/E1l2LvT.png
So... the belt feeds rounds into the chamber which sits... ABOVE the barrel? Come on, guys!
And once again, there's ONE exotic that doesn't have this extreme design flaw.
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20150404021712/destinypedia/images/6/6e/Thunderlord.jpg
Which means you KNOW how it's [i]supposed[/i] to work, but 99% of them are designed in a way in which they are physically incapable of working... why?
Maybe Scout Rifles will be better?
I was surprised to find that the barrel and chamber on most of the scout rifles, auto rifles, and pulse rifles seem to be aligned relatively well. At least, they don't appear as though they'll suffer a critical malfunction the first time you attempt to fire them as the MGs and Hand Cannons do. But then I realized that the chamber, magazine, and the thumb-hole in the frame all seem to line up perfectly... meaning that the only way the rounds are making it to the chamber from the magazine is through your thumb.
http://i.imgur.com/I04X3sc.png
Am I nitpicking? Yup! Does it bother me? Yup! If you're going to design weapons... you need to either do it right, or not at all. There's no reason why a few weapons should be plausible (all gameplay mechanics aside), while the rest are so outlandishly stupid as to be visibly impossible to anyone paying attention. Get it together, Bungie!
inb4 "space magic" means these all make sense...
EDIT: You know what? I was wrong. About all of it. I'm pretty sure it all basically just works like this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGPIQ72-2Vg
EDIT2: June 1st. I must say... this thread has gone on far longer than I expected it to. some may have figured it out from my replies to them or others throughout, but I never really took this topic seriously. The above was mostly meant as satire, while also inviting discussion as to the visual aspect of how the weapons in Destiny work. It has been quite entertaining, for both myself, and I'm sure quite a few others. There have been some great exchanges with others who had a sense of humor, as well as some who attempted to form an intellectual counter-argument and participate in debates. Others were less than intelligent, but I still enjoyed the replies all the same.
To anyone reading this now with the intention of commenting along the lines of "it's just a game", or "calm down", or "you're an idiot", or "it's not real!" or whatever else...
http://i.imgur.com/U7Ghu2s.gifv
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Edited by Remapped: 5/25/2015 7:28:13 AM:-( I think the ammo is made out of that " light " stuff ! Also we load a cartridge in to a hand gun .... Dam you " space magic " I know how you feel, it may me just a game but sometimes you have to nitpick !
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If the laws are still in place and havnt been changed they have to have a special licence to make realistic guns in a game... I could be wrong but I know when cod first came out they got in trouble cuz the guns were too real. But that was a long time ago so it could have changed. It was a tactic so a kid couldn't pick up a gun and know how to use it right away
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Bungie occasionally goes to my favorite indoor gun range. They know [i]some[/i] things about guns.
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Dude it is a video game stop whining and enjoy the content and scenery Bungie has put together
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I'm not gonna say space magic means it makes sense, but SPACE MAGIC!
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Even though I am no gun expert, I respect the knowledge and yeah, the gun design seemed a little off to me, although I didn't know why.
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1.It's just a game 2.space magic
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Can you do my research paper for me? Lol i say an A+ 👍
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Space magic
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It's golden age tech, not like you would understand it's complexity
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I know aye and who designed how people jump in this game, I've never seen anyone jump like that in real life and what's with the supers? Never seen that happen in real life either.
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If it bothers you so much why not choose one of the 100's of other games with realistic weapons to satisify your ocd? Time for a walk in the sun for you I think.
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I appreciate your outrage, but its space magic bro.
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Yeah, scout rifles really bother me.
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I've noticed that about scout rifles for a while now. Also same with fusion rifles though they are futuristic so can be forgiven.
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Edited by ChaoticIsland1: 5/25/2015 7:10:33 AMhttp://www.gunsumerreports.com/Chiappa_Rhino_60DS/Chiappa_Rhino_60DS_000.jpg A real hand cannon
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I agree, however the scout rifles could theoretically work. It would not be efficient, and forget about reliability. It could feed up and forward though. From the rear of the magazine. Not from the front, an added perk would be extra rounds from the ridiculous feed tube.
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The Vex looks exactly like the Mythoclast I got from my last trip to Venus. Surprising, Bungie must have copied the design while I lay it on the ground to change my Land Speeder battery! I will be more careful next time. If it were known the gun was real, well, who knows what it would lead to!
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Reality or video games? You can only choose one.
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I was going to argue with you in some points (the hand cannon is totally possible), but then I realized its just a game. On a side note I really hope you are trolling
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Your over analysing this, firstly it's a futuristic FPS "GAME" it didn't have to represent real life in face it would probably be a bit dull if it did. I suggest you go play something like Battlefield if you want something that represents actual guns
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I really can't help but laugh when people try to explain sci-fi or fantasy games with real life examples. It's the future, the general thing to accept is that they found a way to make it all work. If this bugs you I can't imagine how games like mass effect or dead space tear you apart.
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I mean come on Bungie ! You just aren't taking this seriously enought. A working dematerialisation device has the clearly surrounds people in an energy vortex to protect day a encoding. What were you thinking. And self resurrecection can clearly not take place with combustible materials in close proximity. Seriously man !
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Yes. But it's fine that I can summon my sparrow wherever, have an imaginary bag that holds all my guns and armour, shoot things and have ammunition fall out of them, fly my spaceship to other planets, double jump and glide across a huge gap, throw a grenade and have one respawn over time or revive when I die. Please don't have children.
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Brilliant analysis. Thank you!
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But, you don't REALLY care... Do you? That would be even weirder.