Alright, I need to get this off my chest. Has anyone else noticed how absolutely stupid the design of many of the weapons in Destiny are? I mean who designed these things? They make no sense! The hand cannons and LMGs especially. The cylinder sits ABOVE the barrel, and the hammer sits ABOVE the cylinder on most of them. That just wouldn't work. There is no universe in which that works. And the belts on most of the LMGs feed into a chamber that is, again, physically placed ABOVE the barrel. It's just ridiculous.
I mean, did nobody at Bungie look at these and think "yeah, that's just absurd..."?
This is a REAL hand cannon. Note how the barrel, cylinder, and hammer are all perfectly aligned. This allows the weapon to function properly.
http://i.imgur.com/vMEk2qQ.png
And this is a common Destiny hand cannon. Note how the barrel sits aligned with the very bottom of the cylinder, and the hammer is aligned with the top. It makes no sense. (we won't even go into the fact that there is no way for the bullets to even leave the cylinder on most of these...)
http://i.imgur.com/XBvpTOn.png
And most Destiny revolvers are like this.
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140624222458/destinypedia/images/d/d1/Regulator_Mk._43.jpg <an even worse offender considering how high the hammer sits, but I digress.
It would be one thing if this were a case of simply "whoever designed these obviously has no clue..." but then there's Hawkmoon. Hawkmoon is how ALL of them should be. Hawkmoon's barrel, cylinder, and hammer are all properly aligned. Hawkmoon is actually a realistic weapon. A skilled gunsmith could probably make a fully functional Hawkmoon that you could hold and fire, and which looks nearly identical to the in-game version.
http://i.imgur.com/Sdjmwmd.png
Now, there ARE real-world revolvers that have barrels mounted in a fashion in which the round in the bottom of the cylinder is fired instead of the top. An example of this is the Mateba auto-revolver. Though you notice on the Mateba, the hammer is also mounted lower, because it HAS to be in order to strike the rounds themselves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHxo2cHsits
There are others as well which don't have hammers at all, and use a firing pin system instead (sort of like a Glock), which would explain how the weapons in Destiny are able to work, though not int he case of a barrel being misaligned with the cylinder. This is also unlikely because in those instances, the hammer would be superfluous. It has no purpose... which is obviously not the case in Destiny, as all of the hand cannons have hammers.
So the design of the hand cannons is completely borked in almost every instance except Hawkmoon... let's move on to LMGs.
*sigh*
http://i.imgur.com/E1l2LvT.png
So... the belt feeds rounds into the chamber which sits... ABOVE the barrel? Come on, guys!
And once again, there's ONE exotic that doesn't have this extreme design flaw.
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20150404021712/destinypedia/images/6/6e/Thunderlord.jpg
Which means you KNOW how it's [i]supposed[/i] to work, but 99% of them are designed in a way in which they are physically incapable of working... why?
Maybe Scout Rifles will be better?
I was surprised to find that the barrel and chamber on most of the scout rifles, auto rifles, and pulse rifles seem to be aligned relatively well. At least, they don't appear as though they'll suffer a critical malfunction the first time you attempt to fire them as the MGs and Hand Cannons do. But then I realized that the chamber, magazine, and the thumb-hole in the frame all seem to line up perfectly... meaning that the only way the rounds are making it to the chamber from the magazine is through your thumb.
http://i.imgur.com/I04X3sc.png
Am I nitpicking? Yup! Does it bother me? Yup! If you're going to design weapons... you need to either do it right, or not at all. There's no reason why a few weapons should be plausible (all gameplay mechanics aside), while the rest are so outlandishly stupid as to be visibly impossible to anyone paying attention. Get it together, Bungie!
inb4 "space magic" means these all make sense...
EDIT: You know what? I was wrong. About all of it. I'm pretty sure it all basically just works like this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGPIQ72-2Vg
EDIT2: June 1st. I must say... this thread has gone on far longer than I expected it to. some may have figured it out from my replies to them or others throughout, but I never really took this topic seriously. The above was mostly meant as satire, while also inviting discussion as to the visual aspect of how the weapons in Destiny work. It has been quite entertaining, for both myself, and I'm sure quite a few others. There have been some great exchanges with others who had a sense of humor, as well as some who attempted to form an intellectual counter-argument and participate in debates. Others were less than intelligent, but I still enjoyed the replies all the same.
To anyone reading this now with the intention of commenting along the lines of "it's just a game", or "calm down", or "you're an idiot", or "it's not real!" or whatever else...
http://i.imgur.com/U7Ghu2s.gifv
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It's just a bit of creative licence - no biggy. Had to laugh though when I noticed the Unwilling Soul I got recently has 'rifled barrel' as a *perk*. Why yes, Dead Orbit, I think rifling the barrel of my AR [i]would[/i] improve its performance if it's presumably smoothbore now :/
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Space Magic...
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Its....... Wait for it Wait Hold on Here is the Breaking news Just a game :))) Not real
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On the subject of the scout rifle look at the p90 that will explain the mechinacs as the rounds in that are side on in the mag which is on top of the barrel and are flipped into position on firing. The hand cannons are like the matador, and the desigb does have advantages, lower center of gravity being one. The hammer could strike a cam underneath to compact the design slightly.
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When you break a weapon you get glimmer, therefore glimmer is in the guns. Glimmer is reprogrammable matter, so literally anything could happen, you just don't know.
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90% of the kids on this forum have never even shot a "hand cannon" i dont expect bungie employees to have either.
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Maybe, just maybe, did you realize that Destiny is a video game? Therefore not real? How many science fiction games and movies have you seen that are entirely impossible? A lot? I thought so. Also I don't believe that scout rifles (possibly some of the other weapons too) fire actual bullets. The "magazine" is actual a something like a battery pack for the rifle which fires small bursts of kinetic energy with the same impact and speed as a bullet. But that's just my theory.
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Ignoring your inb4.... Space magic, dude. You have an issue with the mechanics of the space future weapons, yet don't bring anything up about how these guys can hover/fly or shoot purple energy from their hands?? Future. Space. Magic. Its not made to be plausible, but made to look cool and have fun.
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Just.... No.... It's a game calm down with the murica business
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Man, you're responding to people in a really funny way and it's really confusing me because you seem like a very different person in the original post. As for the Hand Cannon and LMG thing, I know almost literally nothing about guns, other than that my favorite guns are from Borderlands 2. So tomorrow I'll have a look at said flaws!
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No bullets
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If this is correct (I have no knowledge on this subject), then it is pretty strange they didn't try to make them correct. Sure It's a game, but still. Only one explanation can be given[spoiler]space magic[/spoiler]
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Every handcannon in Destiny works like a Chiappa Rhino.
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Been saying this for months the snipers are the worst for it, all built left handed and with a bolt action and charging handle its one or the other bungie not both!!!!
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They are not firing actual bullets.
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Edited by TheRealSouthPaw: 5/25/2015 7:50:22 AMYESSS! I completely agree. This game is so absurd! Did you know that real people can't really resurrect from the dead, or lightning smash the ground, or ignite in flames and shoot a pistol made of pure energy. I mean come on. Where on the hand would the lightning come from? How can they raise from the dead? How can they shoot an ergonomically incorrect looking hand cannon of fire? Real humans can't do that....bungie get your shit together
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Edited by How to Snipe 101: 5/25/2015 7:51:14 AMWho cares, it's the future, just use hawkmoon or thorn if you don't like the bottom barrel thing. Also it's not like you can see the bottom barrel of the hand cannon unless you have one that has a muzzle on it
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That self res thing is nothing like real life either.
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MG, not LMG. Otherwise carry on.
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Nova bomb? Sun singer? Ogres? Etc
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Your points maybe valid although I would think that Bungie have had several team building outings to weapon ranges in their time. Maybe all the cakes they eat give make them a little crazy with the sugar content ;)
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It doesnt bother me at all but i noticed that with the scout rifles too. But hey its a game with freakin super powers. Who cares.
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You have no imagination.
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We do have matter transportation, maybe the barrels of the top chamber then port to the "fireing" chamber meaning double the barrel length. Also as far as I'm aware the mags simply contain glimmer and are esentually matter battery's where the rounds are assembled by the gun. That would mean the designs could include the features. That dose basically fall under space magic though but it's in lore possible space magic.
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Edited by Remapped: 5/25/2015 7:28:13 AM:-( I think the ammo is made out of that " light " stuff ! Also we load a cartridge in to a hand gun .... Dam you " space magic " I know how you feel, it may me just a game but sometimes you have to nitpick !