Alright, I need to get this off my chest. Has anyone else noticed how absolutely stupid the design of many of the weapons in Destiny are? I mean who designed these things? They make no sense! The hand cannons and LMGs especially. The cylinder sits ABOVE the barrel, and the hammer sits ABOVE the cylinder on most of them. That just wouldn't work. There is no universe in which that works. And the belts on most of the LMGs feed into a chamber that is, again, physically placed ABOVE the barrel. It's just ridiculous.
I mean, did nobody at Bungie look at these and think "yeah, that's just absurd..."?
This is a REAL hand cannon. Note how the barrel, cylinder, and hammer are all perfectly aligned. This allows the weapon to function properly.
http://i.imgur.com/vMEk2qQ.png
And this is a common Destiny hand cannon. Note how the barrel sits aligned with the very bottom of the cylinder, and the hammer is aligned with the top. It makes no sense. (we won't even go into the fact that there is no way for the bullets to even leave the cylinder on most of these...)
http://i.imgur.com/XBvpTOn.png
And most Destiny revolvers are like this.
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140624222458/destinypedia/images/d/d1/Regulator_Mk._43.jpg <an even worse offender considering how high the hammer sits, but I digress.
It would be one thing if this were a case of simply "whoever designed these obviously has no clue..." but then there's Hawkmoon. Hawkmoon is how ALL of them should be. Hawkmoon's barrel, cylinder, and hammer are all properly aligned. Hawkmoon is actually a realistic weapon. A skilled gunsmith could probably make a fully functional Hawkmoon that you could hold and fire, and which looks nearly identical to the in-game version.
http://i.imgur.com/Sdjmwmd.png
Now, there ARE real-world revolvers that have barrels mounted in a fashion in which the round in the bottom of the cylinder is fired instead of the top. An example of this is the Mateba auto-revolver. Though you notice on the Mateba, the hammer is also mounted lower, because it HAS to be in order to strike the rounds themselves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHxo2cHsits
There are others as well which don't have hammers at all, and use a firing pin system instead (sort of like a Glock), which would explain how the weapons in Destiny are able to work, though not int he case of a barrel being misaligned with the cylinder. This is also unlikely because in those instances, the hammer would be superfluous. It has no purpose... which is obviously not the case in Destiny, as all of the hand cannons have hammers.
So the design of the hand cannons is completely borked in almost every instance except Hawkmoon... let's move on to LMGs.
*sigh*
http://i.imgur.com/E1l2LvT.png
So... the belt feeds rounds into the chamber which sits... ABOVE the barrel? Come on, guys!
And once again, there's ONE exotic that doesn't have this extreme design flaw.
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20150404021712/destinypedia/images/6/6e/Thunderlord.jpg
Which means you KNOW how it's [i]supposed[/i] to work, but 99% of them are designed in a way in which they are physically incapable of working... why?
Maybe Scout Rifles will be better?
I was surprised to find that the barrel and chamber on most of the scout rifles, auto rifles, and pulse rifles seem to be aligned relatively well. At least, they don't appear as though they'll suffer a critical malfunction the first time you attempt to fire them as the MGs and Hand Cannons do. But then I realized that the chamber, magazine, and the thumb-hole in the frame all seem to line up perfectly... meaning that the only way the rounds are making it to the chamber from the magazine is through your thumb.
http://i.imgur.com/I04X3sc.png
Am I nitpicking? Yup! Does it bother me? Yup! If you're going to design weapons... you need to either do it right, or not at all. There's no reason why a few weapons should be plausible (all gameplay mechanics aside), while the rest are so outlandishly stupid as to be visibly impossible to anyone paying attention. Get it together, Bungie!
inb4 "space magic" means these all make sense...
EDIT: You know what? I was wrong. About all of it. I'm pretty sure it all basically just works like this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGPIQ72-2Vg
EDIT2: June 1st. I must say... this thread has gone on far longer than I expected it to. some may have figured it out from my replies to them or others throughout, but I never really took this topic seriously. The above was mostly meant as satire, while also inviting discussion as to the visual aspect of how the weapons in Destiny work. It has been quite entertaining, for both myself, and I'm sure quite a few others. There have been some great exchanges with others who had a sense of humor, as well as some who attempted to form an intellectual counter-argument and participate in debates. Others were less than intelligent, but I still enjoyed the replies all the same.
To anyone reading this now with the intention of commenting along the lines of "it's just a game", or "calm down", or "you're an idiot", or "it's not real!" or whatever else...
http://i.imgur.com/U7Ghu2s.gifv
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I'm forever going down the town just to go on a killing spree with my gun that heals me when I kill someone then pop my golden gun out thin air and fire it off. I thought bungie was spot on with the realism. IMO.
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Wait...[spoiler]shut up meg[/spoiler]
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Actually, machine guns do in fact load above the barrel. Only slightly though. The round is pushed forward by the bolt and then pushed down in to chamber. This is done in this manner because the spent casings are ejected from the bottom of the weapon and the links that hold the rounds together in a belt, also known as a disintegrating belt, are ejected to the side. As far as hand cannons are concerned, if you look at the ammunition cylinder that is used in the weapon it appears to have a pin in the middle of it. This could be a firing pin extension. This similar to the way Barreta makes or used to make their pistols. They would spilt the firing pin into two parts and one part would actually be incorporated in to the safety mechanism. As far as hand cannons go in Destiny. I imagine that what happens is that a round is dropped into a center chamber within the ammunition cylinder where it lines up with the firing pinm once the round is fired it returns to its original position. This would actually be an ideal design as it would shift the recoil from the top of the weapon to the bottom of the weapon. The rocket launchers are a bit perplexing but it's possible the round are loaded into a single cartridge one behind the other. This would be similar to the way Metalstorm weapons are, where they use a stick of ammunition loaded into the barrel and the weapon. If you want to know anything else feel free to ask. I worked on weapons for a little over year so I hve a pretty decent handle on some things.
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Future...?
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Guns actually shoot "glimmer". Ever noticed how ammo packs look digital, like glimmer? Ever noticed how the ammo is universal? Glimmer is programmable material, which means they turn it into ammunition.
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It's a game, no one really cares
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I feel like a monster
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Oh get a life. That is all.
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When I thought all complaints were covered for the last 8 months... [spoiler]you came along...[/spoiler]
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He's Stephan hawking, brace yourself.
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I don't think you understand how games work...
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Cod players be liek
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Because compressed air on the moon makes sense as well as 1g on the moon itself or on Venus... and we're complaining on how weapon design isn't real....rotfl
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Lmfao, mate, it's a game. No one cares.
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So you don't find concerning we play on different planets or use alien guns yet this bothers you???
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Can you crack open the moon without disturbing the natural magnetic balance? No. Are weapon designs able to change over the next couple centuries? Yes. What would be more bothersome?
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Edited by Lupinskey: 5/25/2015 9:44:26 AMLet's not talk about the fact my gun is shooting electricity,fire or some unknown energy from it though right? Because we totally have pure energy projectiles irl. Also destiny is set about 700 years down the road, don't tell me we can't figure out how to make that shit work in about 700 years, also it's the future, quit expecting such a modern style.
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Video game. Futuristic. Fantasy. Nobody gives a fu##.
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This is a game with space magic and aliens and you are concerned with how the weapons work?
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There are god damn aliens in the game and you think it's weird how the weapons work
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My response to anybody that ever questions the rationality of anything in this game... [spoiler][b]Space Magic[/b][/spoiler]
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Edited by jmacELITE2305: 5/25/2015 7:19:07 AMThis is a video game were talking about, it has teleporting robots, purple people, magic, invisibility, and much more.and you're complaining that guns are designed incorrectly?
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I guess in between halo and Destiny they forgot how to make guns that actually work.
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Shoots alright.
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And you don't understand how games work
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Edited by SirOtter: 5/25/2015 9:07:06 AMTwo words. Space magic.