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Edited by JustOnePepsi: 6/1/2015 4:06:26 PM
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Bungie doesn't understand how firearms work.

Alright, I need to get this off my chest. Has anyone else noticed how absolutely stupid the design of many of the weapons in Destiny are? I mean who designed these things? They make no sense! The hand cannons and LMGs especially. The cylinder sits ABOVE the barrel, and the hammer sits ABOVE the cylinder on most of them. That just wouldn't work. There is no universe in which that works. And the belts on most of the LMGs feed into a chamber that is, again, physically placed ABOVE the barrel. It's just ridiculous. I mean, did nobody at Bungie look at these and think "yeah, that's just absurd..."? This is a REAL hand cannon. Note how the barrel, cylinder, and hammer are all perfectly aligned. This allows the weapon to function properly. http://i.imgur.com/vMEk2qQ.png And this is a common Destiny hand cannon. Note how the barrel sits aligned with the very bottom of the cylinder, and the hammer is aligned with the top. It makes no sense. (we won't even go into the fact that there is no way for the bullets to even leave the cylinder on most of these...) http://i.imgur.com/XBvpTOn.png And most Destiny revolvers are like this. http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140624222458/destinypedia/images/d/d1/Regulator_Mk._43.jpg <an even worse offender considering how high the hammer sits, but I digress. It would be one thing if this were a case of simply "whoever designed these obviously has no clue..." but then there's Hawkmoon. Hawkmoon is how ALL of them should be. Hawkmoon's barrel, cylinder, and hammer are all properly aligned. Hawkmoon is actually a realistic weapon. A skilled gunsmith could probably make a fully functional Hawkmoon that you could hold and fire, and which looks nearly identical to the in-game version. http://i.imgur.com/Sdjmwmd.png Now, there ARE real-world revolvers that have barrels mounted in a fashion in which the round in the bottom of the cylinder is fired instead of the top. An example of this is the Mateba auto-revolver. Though you notice on the Mateba, the hammer is also mounted lower, because it HAS to be in order to strike the rounds themselves. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHxo2cHsits There are others as well which don't have hammers at all, and use a firing pin system instead (sort of like a Glock), which would explain how the weapons in Destiny are able to work, though not int he case of a barrel being misaligned with the cylinder. This is also unlikely because in those instances, the hammer would be superfluous. It has no purpose... which is obviously not the case in Destiny, as all of the hand cannons have hammers. So the design of the hand cannons is completely borked in almost every instance except Hawkmoon... let's move on to LMGs. *sigh* http://i.imgur.com/E1l2LvT.png So... the belt feeds rounds into the chamber which sits... ABOVE the barrel? Come on, guys! And once again, there's ONE exotic that doesn't have this extreme design flaw. http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20150404021712/destinypedia/images/6/6e/Thunderlord.jpg Which means you KNOW how it's [i]supposed[/i] to work, but 99% of them are designed in a way in which they are physically incapable of working... why? Maybe Scout Rifles will be better? I was surprised to find that the barrel and chamber on most of the scout rifles, auto rifles, and pulse rifles seem to be aligned relatively well. At least, they don't appear as though they'll suffer a critical malfunction the first time you attempt to fire them as the MGs and Hand Cannons do. But then I realized that the chamber, magazine, and the thumb-hole in the frame all seem to line up perfectly... meaning that the only way the rounds are making it to the chamber from the magazine is through your thumb. http://i.imgur.com/I04X3sc.png Am I nitpicking? Yup! Does it bother me? Yup! If you're going to design weapons... you need to either do it right, or not at all. There's no reason why a few weapons should be plausible (all gameplay mechanics aside), while the rest are so outlandishly stupid as to be visibly impossible to anyone paying attention. Get it together, Bungie! inb4 "space magic" means these all make sense... EDIT: You know what? I was wrong. About all of it. I'm pretty sure it all basically just works like this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGPIQ72-2Vg EDIT2: June 1st. I must say... this thread has gone on far longer than I expected it to. some may have figured it out from my replies to them or others throughout, but I never really took this topic seriously. The above was mostly meant as satire, while also inviting discussion as to the visual aspect of how the weapons in Destiny work. It has been quite entertaining, for both myself, and I'm sure quite a few others. There have been some great exchanges with others who had a sense of humor, as well as some who attempted to form an intellectual counter-argument and participate in debates. Others were less than intelligent, but I still enjoyed the replies all the same. To anyone reading this now with the intention of commenting along the lines of "it's just a game", or "calm down", or "you're an idiot", or "it's not real!" or whatever else... http://i.imgur.com/U7Ghu2s.gifv

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  • I've noticed it too, the action on Corrective looks like it sits above the barrel. They went hard with the rule of cool in Destiny.

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  • Ice Breaker ...

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    • You can't forget that the drums on the lmg is useless. When you reload, the rounds are pulled INTO the gun. Having this happen defeats the purpose of a drum mag.

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      • Never mind handcannons and machine guns! The thing that bugs me is that they really butchered the fusion rifles, I mean, come on! Those don't look anything like they do in real....oh.....nevermind.

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        • Edited by BasilGoldsack NZ: 5/25/2015 11:54:48 AM
          Guns that are hundreds of years in the future and fire programmable matter and can heal the user, explode the enemy, disintegrate them in electricity, make them disappear into the void, cause poison damage with every shot, randomly do extra damage for no particular reason, and can basically materialise out of thin air at the whim of a tiny floating magical robot fuelled by the power of magic light... Can't possibly function any differently to modern guns today? I seem to recall we used to have to manually shove the bullet down the barrel not too long ago comparitively... I'm sure if you showed someone from the 19th century a fully automatic rifle from today, they wouldn't believe it could even function, or at least fathom how.

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          • You're complaining about factual accuracy in a game that has "space magic"?

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            • Well, it has been fun, y'all... but I've been sitting here posting coy remarks for over 5 hours now, and I'm all out of wit. Have a wonderful Monday!

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            • Edited by Father Giliam: 5/25/2015 11:05:49 AM
              I didn't read other comments to see if anyone has said this, but I take it the OP has never seen the Rhino, a real life revolver that has the barrel sitting on the bottom of the cylinder that has a hammer at the top.

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              • I've tried to explain this to some people before. But as they say "it's just a game". But these are Sci-Fi/Magic guns from the future that run on illogical thoughts and dreams. Bungie has some creative people.

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              • Don't get me started on the spaceships

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                • Idgaf

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                  • But it's a video game lmao. If I wanna design a game where chickens are rulers of this world then Damn be it !

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                    • Because the gjallarhorn is realistic

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                      • Its really late so I might answer back later but for now I will say this. Those handcannons are most likely based off Chiappa Rhinos. [url]http://www.gunsumerreports.com/Chiappa_Rhino_60DS/Chiappa_Rhino_60DS_000.jpg[/url]

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                        • Cuz a battery powered gun needs a hammer

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                          • The scout rifles have always bothered me. I've been trying since day 1 to figure out how the magazines work in those things. The best I've come up with is "Advanced technology" and "Space magic". With the Handcannons, I just assumed they worked the same way a Mateba would. Most of these guns are fairly puzzling. It's really just easier to accept that it's some kind of mystical, new age, weapons engineering that we feeble humans don't yet comprehend.

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                          • So I got resurrected by a floating pocket robot, no big deal. Apparently the world ended, there's time travel now and all these weird aliens are trying to kill me, I'm good. This Speaker guy wants me to save the world but refuses to tell me anything really, I'll roll with it. WTF, I can fly... and teleport... and cast spells! -This gun does look awfully weird though... This. is. too. much.

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                            • It's just a game.

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                            • Golden age technology.

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                            • It takes a special kind of no life stupidity to complain about gun mechanics in a sci-fi video game set hundreds of years in the future.

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                            • Well I guess you also haven't noticed the new scouts that have paintball co2 cans for mags, or the fact Hawkmoon's barrel is about 3 times the size of any round it'd fire since it holds 13. I'd just guess that all mags are batteries and that's why you can get elemental weapons. As for MGs that clearly use bullets... the world may never know.

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                            • They Stated that hand cannons (as scout rifles and most other weapons in destiny), don't shoot actual bullets, but some kind of energy projectile.......

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                              • Alot of things need to be brought in to perspective; the game is set 700 years or more later, meaning the guns should look futuristic, doesn't mean they should be necessarily practical. 2: if you played any halo and seen the human weapons you can see that they do have an understanding of guns. 3: it's a game, they don't have to make sense to look nice and have good stats.

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                                • Lol its a game xD guns in real life also don't cause a arc Explosion when you get a head shot. Or do guns shoot solar bullets or void xD pointless post man.

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                                • Murica!!!

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                                • I'm forever going down the town just to go on a killing spree with my gun that heals me when I kill someone then pop my golden gun out thin air and fire it off. I thought bungie was spot on with the realism. IMO.

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