Alright, I need to get this off my chest. Has anyone else noticed how absolutely stupid the design of many of the weapons in Destiny are? I mean who designed these things? They make no sense! The hand cannons and LMGs especially. The cylinder sits ABOVE the barrel, and the hammer sits ABOVE the cylinder on most of them. That just wouldn't work. There is no universe in which that works. And the belts on most of the LMGs feed into a chamber that is, again, physically placed ABOVE the barrel. It's just ridiculous.
I mean, did nobody at Bungie look at these and think "yeah, that's just absurd..."?
This is a REAL hand cannon. Note how the barrel, cylinder, and hammer are all perfectly aligned. This allows the weapon to function properly.
http://i.imgur.com/vMEk2qQ.png
And this is a common Destiny hand cannon. Note how the barrel sits aligned with the very bottom of the cylinder, and the hammer is aligned with the top. It makes no sense. (we won't even go into the fact that there is no way for the bullets to even leave the cylinder on most of these...)
http://i.imgur.com/XBvpTOn.png
And most Destiny revolvers are like this.
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140624222458/destinypedia/images/d/d1/Regulator_Mk._43.jpg <an even worse offender considering how high the hammer sits, but I digress.
It would be one thing if this were a case of simply "whoever designed these obviously has no clue..." but then there's Hawkmoon. Hawkmoon is how ALL of them should be. Hawkmoon's barrel, cylinder, and hammer are all properly aligned. Hawkmoon is actually a realistic weapon. A skilled gunsmith could probably make a fully functional Hawkmoon that you could hold and fire, and which looks nearly identical to the in-game version.
http://i.imgur.com/Sdjmwmd.png
Now, there ARE real-world revolvers that have barrels mounted in a fashion in which the round in the bottom of the cylinder is fired instead of the top. An example of this is the Mateba auto-revolver. Though you notice on the Mateba, the hammer is also mounted lower, because it HAS to be in order to strike the rounds themselves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHxo2cHsits
There are others as well which don't have hammers at all, and use a firing pin system instead (sort of like a Glock), which would explain how the weapons in Destiny are able to work, though not int he case of a barrel being misaligned with the cylinder. This is also unlikely because in those instances, the hammer would be superfluous. It has no purpose... which is obviously not the case in Destiny, as all of the hand cannons have hammers.
So the design of the hand cannons is completely borked in almost every instance except Hawkmoon... let's move on to LMGs.
*sigh*
http://i.imgur.com/E1l2LvT.png
So... the belt feeds rounds into the chamber which sits... ABOVE the barrel? Come on, guys!
And once again, there's ONE exotic that doesn't have this extreme design flaw.
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20150404021712/destinypedia/images/6/6e/Thunderlord.jpg
Which means you KNOW how it's [i]supposed[/i] to work, but 99% of them are designed in a way in which they are physically incapable of working... why?
Maybe Scout Rifles will be better?
I was surprised to find that the barrel and chamber on most of the scout rifles, auto rifles, and pulse rifles seem to be aligned relatively well. At least, they don't appear as though they'll suffer a critical malfunction the first time you attempt to fire them as the MGs and Hand Cannons do. But then I realized that the chamber, magazine, and the thumb-hole in the frame all seem to line up perfectly... meaning that the only way the rounds are making it to the chamber from the magazine is through your thumb.
http://i.imgur.com/I04X3sc.png
Am I nitpicking? Yup! Does it bother me? Yup! If you're going to design weapons... you need to either do it right, or not at all. There's no reason why a few weapons should be plausible (all gameplay mechanics aside), while the rest are so outlandishly stupid as to be visibly impossible to anyone paying attention. Get it together, Bungie!
inb4 "space magic" means these all make sense...
EDIT: You know what? I was wrong. About all of it. I'm pretty sure it all basically just works like this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGPIQ72-2Vg
EDIT2: June 1st. I must say... this thread has gone on far longer than I expected it to. some may have figured it out from my replies to them or others throughout, but I never really took this topic seriously. The above was mostly meant as satire, while also inviting discussion as to the visual aspect of how the weapons in Destiny work. It has been quite entertaining, for both myself, and I'm sure quite a few others. There have been some great exchanges with others who had a sense of humor, as well as some who attempted to form an intellectual counter-argument and participate in debates. Others were less than intelligent, but I still enjoyed the replies all the same.
To anyone reading this now with the intention of commenting along the lines of "it's just a game", or "calm down", or "you're an idiot", or "it's not real!" or whatever else...
http://i.imgur.com/U7Ghu2s.gifv
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Future, my friend 🙊
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Now open up your inventory, press the upgrade button on your ice breaker. Hide the upgrade nodes. Look at the scope. There's an eyepiece and there's the main body of the gun. You can't see out of that optic. At all. Ever.
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[quote]. (we won't even go into the fact that there is no way for the bullets to even leave the cylinder on most of these...) [/quote] That's because on revolvers, once the round is fired the cartridge stays inside the cylinder until you remove them, they do not extract or eject in their own.
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Agreed. As a gunsmith/ weapons enthusiast/mil a lot of these weapons make my face explode. But hey, who wants realistic design when you can Mythoclast??
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Aww, are you disappointed that Destiny isn't Call of Duty? Shut up, it's a freakin' video game.
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You knew it was Space Magic, yet you still tried to convince yourself otherwise lol
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Edited by CravenDescent: 5/25/2015 12:36:52 PMShut up, Meg
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The traveler changed many things about our world.
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Edited by NegativeCycle: 5/25/2015 7:54:28 AMYou apparently never hear of the Chiappa Rhino http://www.chiappafirearms.com/products/75 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbDUWACwRqk They did do it right, it's not their fault you are ignorant to the world of firearms.
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If you want realism go play a simulator . This is a science fiction game or have you not noticed that the titans can create big blue shields from nothing and the aliens and just about everything else in the game . Just play and enjoy the game
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I think any argument against realism is irrelevant since there are actual examples of guns in the game that ARE realistic. [spoiler]though I did hear that hand cannons don't use 'bullets' but that the case you insert into it is almost a battery pack that releases kinetic energy or something? [/spoiler]
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*makes fictional video game* *includes fictional weapons* *gets hate from this fag*
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Because we play Destiny for realism.... #sarcasm
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Maybe the inner workings of the Hand Cannons differ from a regular real-life weapon? Say... maybe the external Hammer hits a secondary internal Hammer which then actually strikes the projectile?
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To be fair, Destiny probably takes place hundreds of years from now, and decades after Humanity experienced a 'golden age'. Perhaps there have been some advancements to the operation of guns since then? I mean, Super Good Advice is able to teleport missed bullets directly back into the magasine, weapons can suddenly have increased damage on a whim, the impact of bullets can be altered on a whim and a fourth state of matter has been discovered (engram, which can be transmuted into almost anything: most engrams you see in the game are cuboids that turn into ammo). In any case, thanks for your post, for this was very educational.
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The award for most useless post goes to...
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Don't mind the fact that I can shoot purple nukes out of my hand or anything. [spoiler]really though, you must've wasted like 20 minutes on that[/spoiler]
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Muted. Just because
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Seriously??? Please don't do another post like this.. I mean how can these guardians have super powers? How are these monsters even real? How did Oryx and Omnigul reproduce to make Crota? How does OP have this much time on his hands? It's a game mate, sit back and chill out :)
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Wile i agree its still a game so not to fussed about its not like we are playing bf.
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Space magic
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It's a video game. Shut up.
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Wish I had as much time on my hands as you lol
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Reading this thread is funny. OP is presenting well-researched facts about firearms and debating very in-depth, and people are just mostly insulting him in return. Never change, Desticles.
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Super Good Advice can "transmat" missed rounds back to the magazine. Maybe scout rifles do the same for rounds to chamber :P
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I've noticed it too, the action on Corrective looks like it sits above the barrel. They went hard with the rule of cool in Destiny.