Alright, I need to get this off my chest. Has anyone else noticed how absolutely stupid the design of many of the weapons in Destiny are? I mean who designed these things? They make no sense! The hand cannons and LMGs especially. The cylinder sits ABOVE the barrel, and the hammer sits ABOVE the cylinder on most of them. That just wouldn't work. There is no universe in which that works. And the belts on most of the LMGs feed into a chamber that is, again, physically placed ABOVE the barrel. It's just ridiculous.
I mean, did nobody at Bungie look at these and think "yeah, that's just absurd..."?
This is a REAL hand cannon. Note how the barrel, cylinder, and hammer are all perfectly aligned. This allows the weapon to function properly.
http://i.imgur.com/vMEk2qQ.png
And this is a common Destiny hand cannon. Note how the barrel sits aligned with the very bottom of the cylinder, and the hammer is aligned with the top. It makes no sense. (we won't even go into the fact that there is no way for the bullets to even leave the cylinder on most of these...)
http://i.imgur.com/XBvpTOn.png
And most Destiny revolvers are like this.
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140624222458/destinypedia/images/d/d1/Regulator_Mk._43.jpg <an even worse offender considering how high the hammer sits, but I digress.
It would be one thing if this were a case of simply "whoever designed these obviously has no clue..." but then there's Hawkmoon. Hawkmoon is how ALL of them should be. Hawkmoon's barrel, cylinder, and hammer are all properly aligned. Hawkmoon is actually a realistic weapon. A skilled gunsmith could probably make a fully functional Hawkmoon that you could hold and fire, and which looks nearly identical to the in-game version.
http://i.imgur.com/Sdjmwmd.png
Now, there ARE real-world revolvers that have barrels mounted in a fashion in which the round in the bottom of the cylinder is fired instead of the top. An example of this is the Mateba auto-revolver. Though you notice on the Mateba, the hammer is also mounted lower, because it HAS to be in order to strike the rounds themselves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHxo2cHsits
There are others as well which don't have hammers at all, and use a firing pin system instead (sort of like a Glock), which would explain how the weapons in Destiny are able to work, though not int he case of a barrel being misaligned with the cylinder. This is also unlikely because in those instances, the hammer would be superfluous. It has no purpose... which is obviously not the case in Destiny, as all of the hand cannons have hammers.
So the design of the hand cannons is completely borked in almost every instance except Hawkmoon... let's move on to LMGs.
*sigh*
http://i.imgur.com/E1l2LvT.png
So... the belt feeds rounds into the chamber which sits... ABOVE the barrel? Come on, guys!
And once again, there's ONE exotic that doesn't have this extreme design flaw.
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20150404021712/destinypedia/images/6/6e/Thunderlord.jpg
Which means you KNOW how it's [i]supposed[/i] to work, but 99% of them are designed in a way in which they are physically incapable of working... why?
Maybe Scout Rifles will be better?
I was surprised to find that the barrel and chamber on most of the scout rifles, auto rifles, and pulse rifles seem to be aligned relatively well. At least, they don't appear as though they'll suffer a critical malfunction the first time you attempt to fire them as the MGs and Hand Cannons do. But then I realized that the chamber, magazine, and the thumb-hole in the frame all seem to line up perfectly... meaning that the only way the rounds are making it to the chamber from the magazine is through your thumb.
http://i.imgur.com/I04X3sc.png
Am I nitpicking? Yup! Does it bother me? Yup! If you're going to design weapons... you need to either do it right, or not at all. There's no reason why a few weapons should be plausible (all gameplay mechanics aside), while the rest are so outlandishly stupid as to be visibly impossible to anyone paying attention. Get it together, Bungie!
inb4 "space magic" means these all make sense...
EDIT: You know what? I was wrong. About all of it. I'm pretty sure it all basically just works like this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGPIQ72-2Vg
EDIT2: June 1st. I must say... this thread has gone on far longer than I expected it to. some may have figured it out from my replies to them or others throughout, but I never really took this topic seriously. The above was mostly meant as satire, while also inviting discussion as to the visual aspect of how the weapons in Destiny work. It has been quite entertaining, for both myself, and I'm sure quite a few others. There have been some great exchanges with others who had a sense of humor, as well as some who attempted to form an intellectual counter-argument and participate in debates. Others were less than intelligent, but I still enjoyed the replies all the same.
To anyone reading this now with the intention of commenting along the lines of "it's just a game", or "calm down", or "you're an idiot", or "it's not real!" or whatever else...
http://i.imgur.com/U7Ghu2s.gifv
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U missed the memo, its fantasy
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Way too much time on your hands :)
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I'm loving all this tears in the comment section!!
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Seems like someone likes COD too much...
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Dude are you retarded? You are playing a video game where you can teleport and ride a hovering vehicle. Why would you complain about this? I'm at loss of words for how stupid some of this posts are on the forums.
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Handcannon "speed loaders" are single power core like things. Thorn fires actual thorns. Maybe there is no bullet. Or maybe you should go back to cod
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We have characters who can hold a gun thats on fire, throw a flaming grenade and a big purple bomb from just there hands, pop a big purple bubble and punch the floor without breaking their wrists, i can go invisible, i can come back from the dead, i run around planets killing aliens and jumping -blam!- knows how high in the air, and your complaining it aint real enough?
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You could always go back go Call of Duty, but them I'm sure you would complain about it as well. Do yourself a favor, and get better at separating video games from reality. There is honestly no reason anyone should be relating a video game to real life scenarios. Unless of course they are simulators. Which Destiny is not. So, in summation, shut up. Good day to you, sir.
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Cool beans.
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I'm still trying to figure out how the Thorn darts that are longer than the gun fit in that little cylinder... maybe it is bigger on the inside?
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Have you heard of a Chiappa Rhino? http://www.chiappafirearms.com/products/75 Before you talk shit, learn about firearms
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The Rocket Launchers kinda make no sense
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Try loading a machine gun with one bullet in reserve, fire it and watch the whole belt disappear. They definitely used nice sky boxes to make up for lack of attention to detail. They did wonderful work graphically as silly as the weapons are, but they are definitely ridiculous. I feel like I'm putting an oil filter on my new scout rifle every time I reload it.
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In the past some revolvers have been made where the barrel aligns with the bottom of the cylinder not the top and they obviously use a hammer and pin system which is common in pistols. Most of the lmg's I use ingame you can see the chamber while reloading and it is accurately placed. As far as scout rifles are concerned there are some odd loading systems out there for example in the p90 the rounds sit perpendicular to the barrel in the magazine and are rotated into the receiver. Aside from all that it is a game set in the future so.........yeah......
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Destiny's forums... Because, God forbid, you say something negative about a game that this community worships more than God / Jesus / Buddha / Allah / Sheva / Zeus / Satan / Flying Spaghetti Monster / The Sun / whatever other gods and deities I may have forgotten to list.
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Ever notice that many of the snipers have a 2 options of re-chambering a round? Semi auto and bolt action on the other side? This would be all fine and dandy if he pulled the semi auto side but he doesn't! He pulls the bolt action side in the reload animation! WTF
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Honestly this gas been bothering me too...just had bigger problems with the game to worry too much about it. Least the human guns in Halo make some -blam!-ing sense...
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I think you'll find this documentary clip on futuristic firearms most helpful.
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Fusion rifles are not real. OMG. Mind blown.
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You freaking out over a gun design. It's supposed to be a sci-fi game you'll find a lot of things that don't make sense but there still pretty cool. If you want to play a game that has gun designs that live up to your standards why don't you go play CoD or battlefield.
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Because 700 years from now with alien tech and magic, we have to use the exact same mechanisms as the past.
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Firearms are understandable. BLINK on the other hand is laughable!!! They have NO IDEA! How that works Irl. It's sooooo funny
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Trying to apply reality to Destiny? Am I the only one who sees something wrong with this?
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Ok... but we are still cool with the triple jump, right?
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Edited by TwerkManeuvers: 6/1/2015 4:03:52 PMI love how dumbasses like yourself try to apply logic to games like destiny lmao
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The only assumption I can make out of it is that the game is rated T right? So Bungie probably doesnt want some kid knowing the actual mechanics of guns and get curious thinking there a Guardian in real life and steal there parents gun and shoot there eye out or worse blow some ones head off.