I. Love. Hand Cannons. Revolvers are just better, Hawkmoon is my Pride & Joy, and someday I'll take my TLW into the Crucible. I have no hard feelings against The Last Word and I consider it fairly difficult to get used to. However, I don't think I'm alone in considering a 2-3 shot kill from a full auto weapon in Destiny a little insane. I'm going to propose a new perk and slight modifications to existing perks instead of a vague nerf cry. The goal is to make The Last Word retain it's crown as CQC Primary Exotic of choice, but altering it's mid-range game to mesh better with it's Old West theme. Without further ado:
[spoiler]- Single Action Perk (When aiming, this weapon fires slower, but gains bonus Accuracy and Stability). The Last Word is fired with the Fanning technique, which can only be achieved with a single action revolver. However, it makes no sense to use that technique while ads. Single Action would reduce TLW's effective rate of fire to 120 rpm (equal to Timur's Lash) and would make the weapon incapable of automatic fire while ads. Additionally, Guardians will prime TLW's hammer with their thumbs while ads. Single Action and Fan Fire are active at the same time and neither require unlocking.
- Replace Aggressive Ballistics with either Linear Compensator or Accurized Ballistics. Aggressive Ballistics grants alot of impact for a very small sacrifice in Range and Stability. Nine times out of Ten, Aggressive Ballistics is the better choice, meaning there's little to be had in customization. Linear Compensator and Accurized Ballistics aren't as objectively superior to TLW's other ballistics perks, if at all, but still have their own qualities to offer.
- The Last Word Exotic perk applies bonus damage to -all- precision shots. This would make the weapon's damage more consistent and compensates for the slow rate of fire while ads. This would still make TLW a potential 2HKO under any scenario, but bodyshots are [i]punishing[/i] while ads as its base Impact would apply.[/spoiler]
TL;DR: If you hip fire TLW, you wouldn't notice much difference in how it handles or how fast it kills. However, TLW becomes a very different beast while aiming. While you would no longer receive a damage penalty, the slow rate of fire means that you'd need to make good use of cover and that every shot counts; missing a single round will cause your TTK to skyrocket. Even so, TLW would become more viable in mid-range engagements as now it could be customized for improved Range at the cost of Stability.
All feedback is appreciated.
EDIT: It seems there's a little confusion as to how Single Action would effect TLW. While it would fire more slowly while ads, the TTK would remain roughly the same at 0.50 seconds, assuming perfect head shot accuracy (the TTK is currently 0.56 seconds while ads, if you don't proc the bugged damage boost). However, every shot you miss with Single Action will increase the TTK by 0.50 seconds, whereas today the TTK penalty per missed shot is only 0.27 seconds.
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Stop it.
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I think you should buy TLW ps4 controller on ebay.
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Edited by PuppyPulverizer: 5/17/2015 4:03:44 AMI think they should just buff exotics and then remove them from the crucible
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The Last Word is broken. The range fall off, should be at LEAST double what it is now. There is no viable reason why someone with TLW should be able to effectively and consistently, out gun someone with Jolder's Hammer at mid range. Even when the heavy weapon user hits first, as I've conducted research on both sides of the gun. People gripe about Thorn constantly, but it seems to be one of the only viable counters to TLW as Crucible currently stands. The ADS damage boost glitch only adds to the no talent hacks, spamming the hell out of it in PvP. A team of 3 or more, especially if in a party/ fireteam, is almost unbeatable in a direct gunfight. No single weapon should break a game type. TLW ruins Crucible for the masses, almost as much as Lag Switching. Consequently, use of both seems to skyrocket after school gets out... And oft used in tandem. I guess the kiddies get tired of getting their brains kicked in and opt to cheat their way to victory. I wish everyone would get consistent in reporting the lag switchers in the community. Bungie should ban them all from PvP, since dedicated servers clearly aren't on the list of future improvements.
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As much as I like your ideas I believe you're overcomplicating it and giving The Last Word another way to dominate outside of its effective use. I believe the weapon needs a heavy damage nerf, plain and simple... Making it a 4 headshot kill (this is being considered with the TLW glitch where you get extra precision damage even while aiming) and 6 shots to the body. But in return give TLW a boosted mag size from its current 8 to 12 shots per cylinder. This will allow for more of a spray feel to the weapon and effectively lower the time to kill while giving TLW users more bullets per cylinder to fan the trigger. This would effectively balance the weapon with less initial power lowering the TTK but a bigger mag size to utilize with several targets. The weapon would still have a fast time to kill, but it would not be the OP thing that we have at this moment. It's a simple proposition and I can honestly see Bungie doing this as opposed to what you have thought of, even though it was an interesting thought. What do you think? :)
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Agree that the last word needs to be tweaked but giving a way to consistently 2hko does not really fix the issue. It's hip fire TTK with body shots is faster than vex TTK with all headshots. Even ads it only takes one headshot to get the 3hko.
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Actually if you decreased the last words fire rate to 120 it would still take 1.0 seconds to kill effectively doubling its time to kill now.
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Tl;dr was just as long as OP..
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Edited by The 7th fall: 5/16/2015 1:24:32 AMDon't even bother with trying to suggest ways to even out the playing field... others have tried constructive ways to negotiate on how to adjust guns like TLW, Thorn, Hawkmoon, and other touchy guns of the Crucible, and all get shot down. To an extent it's reasonable to shoot down suggestions because with Bungie's track record, it'll get overnerfed. Now your ideas are good, hell I'd like to see 'em tested out and likely implemented, but trying to convince the tryhards and whiners is very difficult...
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The Last Word is my favorite gun. I don't really want to see it nerfed into uselessness like almost every other gun Bungie decided to tune. EG:Suros... I do think your idea has merit though and is well thought out. In effect, what you are asking for is an effect similar to focus fire on the auto rifles. If bungie absolutely had to change the gun, your idea has potential as long as they tune it to keep the same TTK as Thorn and Hawkmoon or Red Death. Part of the fun of TLW though is the fast bang bang... I use it a lot, and I honestly don't think I've ever held it in full auto. I tap it as fast as I can while keeping it under control.
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make tlw's sec perk a choice between the last word or field scout👍
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Looking at what you said I feel as if you aren't making it worse but better!! It will be alittle more versatile will among down sights and would have a slightly better chance of holding it's own against hawk moon and thorn without making it unbeatable. Good ideas!! This thread is an actual solution other than just nerfed the dang weapon because it kill me alot. Well that's my two cents on what you said. Good luck gardian and let the travelers light guide you!
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Stop it already
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Edited by Brutalmeele: 5/15/2015 9:25:56 PMtlw is used wrong mny try to hip fire to often nad that ruins everyting on when their really close hip fire when ads u get way more acc and get the headshot forget the dmg bonus on headshots if u dont get any headshot make sure u get em and making it fire slower woud make the gun useless, READ THIS:okay i just readed everyting and i agree but my point is that hipfiring all the time looks at bit stupid if u ask me but reading what u meant got me thinking and i see what u mean but it woudent be a 2 hit kill when aiming down sight and make it worse at medium where it was perfect i suggest making hip fire way better at close make the last word perk better and making at close it almost the same as ads and when ad u dont hip fire that woud make it better
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These changes are much needed.