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Edited by S0ulBearer:
5/13/2015 5:07:20 AM
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How to nerf Thorn fairly
Now I know this is a hot button topic right now, some say it's OP, some say it isn't, whatever. I have come up with an idea I hope you all might be able to think about, that nobody ever mentions.
The thorn should have slower bullet travel velocity. It's the only gun in the game that shoots giant thorn bullets, everything else some sort of colored plasma and or presumably bullets. This would create drag against the gigantic and less aerodynamic thorn shot.
If we reduce the speed of the bullet it would cause people to need to lead their shot on it and adjust for moving opponents instead of just instant hits while spamming the trigger.
This is instead of nerfing the poison to the point of uselessness or some other nonsense like nerfing it's range or RoF or something.
Edit: I didn't even mean this thread to be serious, I was just making a dumb troll thread, and somehow it sparked some actual decent conversation. Hm.
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1 ReplyMake it so the DOT can't kill
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I think you could lower fire rate and/or make DOT leave them with a little Healy but not kill
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3 RepliesEdited by zortcommander: 5/13/2015 10:16:36 PMIt takes "work" to get that weapon, so it should be good [spoiler][i]Super Good Advice[/i], looking at you, you need to do better[/spoiler]
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2 RepliesEdited by OldManJenkins: 5/13/2015 8:50:36 PMHere's my opinion, once House of Woofs comes out, we will be able to re-roll legendary weapons, eventually leading to most legendaries turning out better than most exotics and therefore balancing the game. That's the reason why the IB weapons have been OP, because everyone was able to re-roll their fellwinter until they got rangefinder or shot package. I can see it now, Red Hand XI, shadow price/vanquisher, crusader , PLUG ONE.1, THE SWARM, etc. are going to get some crazy rolls and become top shelf.
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The game uses a hits can dynamic so that would be possible
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4 RepliesNo, shotgun range nerf. There like bloody snipers now
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1 ReplyEnough of the thorn nerf posts! Quit crying. All hand cannons are op. All exotic hand cannons have a 2/3 hit kill. All OF THEM!
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6 RepliesHow to nerf thorn: bring back auto rifles to where they were before.
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Please read and comment on my post concerning a similar topic. https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/121280591
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Nerf gjallarhorn too!! Wolfpack is too op, just like the poison on thorn.
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3 RepliesDot stops when user dies. Sorted.
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Look! ANOTHER Thorn post.
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5 RepliesLol range needs a lil tweek. It out ranges the mida and it shouldn't
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If its nerfed, i dont think it should be i have the gun but ive never used it in crucible, one minor change that wouldnt completely ruin the weapon is canceling the poison when the thorn user dies. I think that would bring a fair amount of balance. This is already common with titan sticky grenades. Sometimes when u die they fly right off.
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1 ReplyNerfing the rate of fire is not nonsense. It is one of the major problems. It's high rate of fire combined with the high stability that makes it so powerful.
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Seriously your whats wrong with this game constantly whining about op guns your nothing more than a troll mate sick of these arguments they rebalance the weapons every few months to get people to use different weapons to keep it interesting next month scouts n snipers will be op then auto rifles and fusions stop bitching and start using it lol like everyone else!
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the gun doesn't need nerfed. i have said on countless threads that there are a handful of weapons that beat it in any situation. currently the vex hits harder than any lmg. notice i said lmg and not hmg. so does the red death. the vex is basically an autorifle. the red death gets 2 bursts off in the same time it takes the thorn to get 2 shots off. thorn user dies, red death user leaves with almost as much health as they did when they started the fight. the vex pulverizes thorn, and even beats tlw unless the hip fire bug happens. what people are really saying, but not saying, is buff what i want to be as strong as thorn (really meaning stronger, but i'll give them the benefit of the doubt). there are weapons stronger than thorn, but they want their weapons that they like to use to be stronger than thorn.buffing the entire spray and pray auto rifle class is not the answer. what they did with pulse rifles is a disaster. what they could do is bump EXOTIC autos. it makes no sense to buff and entire weapon class. this game is still supposed to be a loot-based game. top tier weapons should be more powerful than their counterparts, but not whole classes of weapons.
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5 RepliesSo basically nerf the gun into in usability? I think the best solution to the problem is lowering the DoT damage in PvP to 5. That way it doesn't two shot, but doesn't make the poison completely irrelevant.
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How about we leave everything alone and buff the auto rifles some.
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1 ReplyI don't see what's wrong with it It hasn't changed for like the last five to six months and no one was complaining then
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7 RepliesI am completely missing this whole Thorn problem. I haven't seen any game play from it that makes me want to level mine up in a day like it's the Vex. Then again people are starting to complain about the Vex again and how it's taking over the crucible. So you never know with these kids.
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5 RepliesOr. Leave it as it is.
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Maybe people can learn to play instead of needing every gun in the game. Once the Thorn gets ruined people will just cry about the next over used gun. Yes over used is not the same as OP.
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6 RepliesIts people like u that almost destroyed the game on that last weapon update. Leave the guns alone esp thorn as it is a pain to get and being exotic should be at the top. BTW before its last buff it was about the worse so deal with it. U people and crying about what weapons happen to kill u the most that day. I have an idea learn to use thorn yourself. Oh how bout AR get a good 5% dmg boost in pve.
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3 RepliesMag size back to six DoT cannot kill you but will damage you until the point where someone can tap you on the shoulder and die
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Give it one bullet in the mag.job done.
