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Edited by Stickman Al: 5/14/2015 7:02:47 PMThe universe didn't exit until after the big bang, so the rules didn't apply. But anyway, you need to assume that the universe is a closed system for your conclusion to be fair. Since we have particles popping into existence from seemingly nowhere, we rant can't rule out the possibility that the might be more to the system than just this universe.
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38 RepliesEdited by Britton: 5/12/2015 5:56:09 AMBad b8 The second law of thermodynamics states that entropy must increase in a closed system. Earth is not a closed system. We get a steady stream of energy from the sun. That being said, that amount of energy the sun gives off, compared to how much is being utilized is still achieving an increase in entropy. So evolution doesn't violate the second law of thermodynamics. (Hence its existence) As for #2. Adaptation, is one of the forces that drive evolution. Adaptation is driven by natural selection, and genetics runs underneath all of it, carrying the blue prints along. Go read a book, that isn't published by religious zealots. [spoiler]at least make it take effort to show you why you're wrong. [/spoiler]
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Your first "fact" isn't explained scientifically and doesn't sound logical. You are saying the Big Bang made the universe [i]more[/i] organized? Your second "fact" is not a fact at all, but a strawman argument against the theory. Again, a lack of scientific understanding and/or explanation.
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You obviously don't fully understand the concept of speciation and how it works.
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14 RepliesIt takes more effort to not believe in God then it does to have faith God exists.
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Fact 1: Explosions seem organised to you. Fact 2: They didn't need to evolve into a fish or a dog to adapt to their surroundings, so they all stayed finches. Try harder next time.
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2 RepliesYou have no idea what your talking about -_- Please know what you are saying before you try make a post against something that is proven true.
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It's obvious you don't understand what you talk about. It's most likely you copy and pasted this from some other uneducated moron.
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First argument only refers to closed systems. Earth is [b]not[/b] a closed system. Second argument is faulty as adaptation is a result of survival of the fittest. Evolution refers to mutations and variations. An adaptation is a result of evolution through a mutation allowing life to survive more easily in its environment.
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6 RepliesRandom question: evolution is basically an organism changing slowly by (insert factor). It's new information introduced or at least refined information introduced into the DNA which is passed on. Bacteria does this very well, as seen in MDRO. My question is this, how does the organism know how to evolve/mutate? I thought that an extremely high percentage of all mutations are harmful or unproductive? The odds of a cell mutating in a positive way, then passing that new information on without the bodies defense immune system killing it off is extremely low correct? I mean we're not talking about one organism that got lucky, across the board organisms mutated and there immune systems either sucked or were advanced enough to not kill off all the "new" strange cells? This would put them way beyond us. Also bacteria that develops immunity to antibiotics, I thought this was due to the denature or breakdown of proteins? Ex: antibiotics kill bacteria in many ways, some bind to a protein and kill it. It's already been shown that antibiotics can bind to bacteria through a specific protein (let's say A) and not succeed in killing the bacteria but does succeed in destroying the protein A. This half killed bacteria can still replicate but does not replicate protein A because it was damaged. The new bacteria does not have protein A, therefore the antibiotics cannot bind. New bacteria is immune to that antibiotic now. Given this is one example with one antibiotic, but this is not evolution is it? New information was not gained, it was lost. The immunity was caused by the antibiotics not the bacteria. I'm just curious, and apologize if I said something stupid.
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I pressed B and evolution went away. Easy.
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>be me >fighting bug keepers in Viridian Forest >scrubs get rekt by Weedle >"Weedle rose to level 7!" >"What? Weedle is evolving!" >Weedle begins spinning a cocoon >Not on my watch >spam B button >"Weedle stopped evolving." >Weedle is still a Weedle. >Checkmate Atheists
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Edited by Warlock: 5/13/2015 3:50:15 PMDon't forget the study of Structural Homology and the Geographical Column, they're evidence against evolution as well. And why aren't we still evolving? :)
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The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics refers to closed systems. As Earth received energy primarily from The Sun. It is not a closed system. Evolution is not adaptation. Anyone who says that do not understand Evolution. Evolution is driven by genetic mutation or variation and natural selection, not adaptation. Note that Charles Darwin was never an atheist. At the time of his death, he was an agnostic. He stopped attending Church after the death of his daughter, Anne. He began to question the benevolence of God after observing the life cycle of the Parasitic Wasp, and seeing the poverty of the natives of Terra del Fuego.
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you should review the second law of thermodynamics and take into account that it only occurs in a closed system, which the Earth is not
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Op shouldn't have kids.
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3 RepliesGood point. No one remembers their gorilla relatives? And why are monkeys still monkeys and not half people? Why is no one like.. hey.. I'm one generation away from being a monkey. My grandma is a monkey, you never hear that. Oh I suppose we all just magically evolved from apes at the exact same time and then it never happened again.
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>"evolution disproved" >doesnt disprove anything are you confused?
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Something yet to be explained in a scientific field doesn't require Faith it requires patience or if you're smart enough extrapolation to come up with your own scientifically based theory.
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Charmander evolved into Charmlillion. Checkm8
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I'm Christian. But please, please stop. You are not proving anything to anyone other than that Christians are hard headed and ignorant. These guys will come at you with everything they have learned because they have done their research, and honestly, all creationists have to really rely on is our faith. Talking to people about God is just fine. But arguing will get you nowhere. [spoiler]just for the record, not trying to insult you here. I just see entirely too many religious debates and when one hits science or has a title like that its just food for hatred. [/spoiler]
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Dude. Know what your talking about before you post. There are plenty of arguments against evolution, But this is not one of them.
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Edited by Progo: 5/12/2015 2:04:12 PMBooo. I thought we were done with these debate posts.
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Edited by Lander: 5/12/2015 11:49:55 AMYet again we have another deluded theist that's regurgitating any science he can find. How marvellously original. [spoiler]finches can't turn into dogs, no. Such astounding powers of perception[/spoiler] I'm not going to pretend to know all of the physics but I'd wager heavily that there is some physicist out there that would laugh through your first 'fact'. But as far as I'm aware, the Big Bang is a theory not a fact. Religion on the other hand is just an imagined truth somehow leant credibility because enough people have accepted it. And evolution is a result of genetic variation that allows for a better adaptation to one's environment. When finches first established themselves on the island, it's more likely that they were all of one species. Genetic variation occurred within that species and allowed individuals to be better adapted at obtaining food. Therefore they were more adapted to their environment, they passed on their genes and the rest is history. You can't point at a bird and say 'oh shit that bird hasn't turned into a dog yet. Evolution is a lie'
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Well if you're accepting of adaptation look at it this way. The difference in the finches beak is only a small change/adaptation over a small time. Now the environmental changes that forced the adaptation on the finch, will not remain the same forever. The environment will eventually change over time and force the finch to adapt in some small way once again. And if this pattern continues over a large amount of time (with each adaptation adding something new to the finch), you will begin to see a completely different animal compared to what the finch started out as. And there you have it, evolution.
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2 RepliesIs this a joke? I'm being completely honest here, unless you are a homeschooled creationist than there is know way in hell you are this stupid and ignorant
