[quote] I don't want to go to heavy on nerfs [/quote] Aren't you the guy arguing with me on the Felwinter's rate of fire thing? [quote]45 seconds to reload[/quote] I don't think you understand how long 45 seconds is... that's almost a full minute... that's horrendous. Thorn has a really slow reload time and it isn't even near that long. Check it. Like if the reload time was that long, literally no one would use it, Impact be darned. [quote]It dominates PvP[/quote] I have been killed by it maybe twice in the past week. However, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here and say maybe more people use it on whatever console you're on. [quote]getting murdered by it when I'm using an exotic gun like Suros[/quote] Is your real beef here that a legendary gun shouldn't be able to outgun an exotic? Because I could beat your SUROS with a blue weapon (Stranger's Rifle) if I got more headshots in our firefight. Although... SUROS being an auto rifle, I think it needs to be buffed with the rest of its kin. Real unfortunate what happened to auto rifles there. :c