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5/5/2015 7:17:21 PM
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OK I'm confused about evolution. What type of evolution are you talking about? The first law of thermodynamics says energy can't be created nor destroyed. I understand that evolution came from a singularly but I was reading an article last night and it said that they don't know where all of the energy came from. That is my problem...I'm not understanding where all of the energy came from...of it's not in violation of the first law then why is this law saying energy can't be created nor destroyed? The laws of the universe explain how the universe works. Like the second law, things tend to break down. Evolution is adding genetic information to the thing, but the second law contradicts it? I'm confused in understanding the logic. Can you explain?
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  • You consume more food to make more genetic information. Over thousands of millennia you get man.

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  • [quote]Okay, I'm confused about evolution. What type of evolution are you talking about?[/quote]Micro and macro-evolution, and it's cyclical processes.[quote]The First Law of Thermodynamics says, "Energy can't be created nor destroyed." I understand that evolution came from a singularly, but I was reading an article last night, and it said that they don't know where all of the energy came from.[/quote]Everything we know that exists (without experimentation) has a cause, and every cause has an effect. Whenever any energy is put into a system, it has to have a source, and that source has apparently always existed before the "evolution," if you will, of that cause. The problem is that there is an unexpected level of difficulty to explain that isolated system's source. Whether one explains that it is by the radiation of celestial bodies, the existence of black holes and dark matter, or the vacuum of space, each has an apparent origin but no explanation as to their own existence.[quote]Like the second law, things tend to break down. Evolution is adding genetic information to the thing, but the second law contradicts it?I'm confused in understanding the logic. Can you explain?[/quote]The problem is that evolution causes biology to evolve into an alternate or new species in order to cope with the changing environment, yet it has no explanation to existence of Earth's biology in the first place when life supposedly began on barren, non-organic Earth. It's a paradox that has no explanation since there is no explanation as to the existence of the cause. As in the original post, it explained it nicely, and as illustrated in the Laws of Thermodynamics, it contradicts the existing philosophy that evolution is true (an atheistic truth without a cause).

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  • [quote]I understand that evolution came from a singularly[/quote]

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  • Evolution does not break the laws of thermodynamics because those laws apply to things in a closed system. A closed system means no energy is being added from any source. Earth, is an open system. We have constant energy being added to the earth from the sun. Until the sun dies, earth will be an open system. Hope that helps.

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  • In fact all of the energy comes from the hydrogen store in the sun which is finite anyway. The hydrogen's consumed in nuclear fusion, light and infra red energy is released, earth is heated up, and visible light is converted into consumable energy by plants that animals eat, that are then eaten by other animals, which in turn are eaten by other animals.

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  • Its not just hydrogen [spoiler]helium is fused too Just less energy is converted from mass defect[/spoiler]

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  • I thought that helium wasn't fused until the sun swells up and becomes a red giant, engulfing us all... :/

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  • There is no timer in the sun saying oh its time to start fusing helium now its hot enough in the core of the sun, therefore the helium fuses

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  • Oh so what will cause it to swell and consume us all?

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  • Well not us we will be dead and forgotten but anyway they have used all the hydrogen in their core and the main area of hydrogen fusion is actually a shell around the core which has collapsed allowing the atmosphere of the sun to expand This collapsed core is helium and fusion proceeds as it would normally i believe carbon is produced If you think about it all the atoms in your body were once part of a star Unless of course you are a creationalist then your atoms which can be produced no other way than in the core of a star were dumper here in very specific quantities by a "creator"

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  • Who said it had to come from anything? Who said the universe itself is not eternal? Ever heard of the Big Bang, Big Crunch theory? Or the theory that says that eventually black holes will consume everything in the universe, and eventually start eating each other. The last black hole will have so much energy and matter contained in it it will inevitably collapse on itself. This will create a singularity, causing another Big Bang. Or we could just still be in the singularity. Either way, he was talking about evolution in animals, not cosmic evolution, nor the origins of life.

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