Thanks for the reply, sadly we are on PS 4 otherwise that would have been great. We are fortunate enough to have formed a clan whose aim seems to be to just enjoy the challenge and not worry about wipes. We are all learning and enjoying the group interaction. My son on his first vpg hard got : atheons epilogue, p r sniper, helmet, p+t sniper, last word and the vex. All a week after he got his first g horn. Thanks for the offer though, I really appreciate responses like this . take care