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Edited by AnonPig:
6/6/2015 3:49:22 PM
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The Weapons of Sorrow and Toland's Attempt | a highest rated post!
Hello and welcome guardians! This is your friendly neighborhood AnonPig, and I'm here to give you a little insight into the Hive magics and what their corruption has led to. That's right, everyone's favorite hand cannon, Thorn; scout...I mean pulse rifle Bad Juju; and pea shooter Necrochasm!
Let's start this off with Thorn. The Thorn is a Weapon of Sorrow, the insignia of which could be found on the hammer of the hand cannon when being held, but it wasn't always such. Before Dredgen Yor went to Luna and was corrupted, possibly by Xyor, he was a noble man. He stood proudly in light, he was a beacon of hope, his gun...was still a Rose.
On Luna, during the Great Disaster, Dredgen Yor's fate forever changed. His beautiful cannon had become corrupt, a once weapon of light had been meddled with by the Hive. This corruption bled into his mind, his soul, and his light; but this story isn't about him, it's about Thorn. I recently acquired Thorn myself, and yes I'm a terror in the crucible, and I noticed something odd. I originally thought the stream of black-green that marked the trajectory of the weapons "thorns" was a part of Mark of the Devourer, but it isn't. It's inherently there.
Now, I have Husk of the Pit, but not Eris rank 3 or Crux. So I had to turn to YouTube to confirm my theory. Necrochasm also has that unique trajectory, [i]even though[/i] it actually has an Arc element. Now why would it be the green tint instead of blue? Simple, as I'm sure you all see where I'm going with this, it's a weapon of sorrow and whatever Hive magics made that so caused it's unique pattern.
So we have two Weapons of Sorrow, and then there's Bad Juju. I know what you're thinking, [i]Anon, Juju has that insignia that Thorn does! Doesn't that mean it's a Weapon of Sorrow?[/i] No, or at least I don't think so. I think this was Toland's attempt at making a Weapon of Sorrow, but Warlock he may be...Wizard he is not. The Bad Juju was originally a Scout rifle, most easily compared to the MIDA Multi-Tool, now I don't mean to say MIDA became Juju, just that the same frame of it was. This is why the weapon, although great, doesn't share that unique trajectory.
So the question really is, what brought Toland to the creation of Juju? Who did he study that he was still able to come [i]so[/i] close to creating a Weapon of Sorrow? And if he could have come the close, could there have been more between the two? Could that be truly why he was exiled? Consultation with the enemy could not be allowed after all. But what if, what if he truly did get that close to the Hive? Would they protect him?
[b]A good point brought up by King Hutch IV[/b] [quote]To me, the real question is why was Bad Juju not made into a weapon of sorrow by the hive, given Tolands ambitions.
It could be that they saw him more as a threat, someone learning their secrets with more of a motive to defeat them/steal their power.
It could just be that they never set up the meeting. Who knows on that one[/quote]
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Yo, I was led here by a few simple google searches, and honestly this might just be my imagination running away from me, but I picked up a blue sidearm a few minutes ago, and the description seemed odd. The gun is called Antandre-D, and the description reads "One of the Twelve lives on in your hand." Now, aside from Xur and "the Nine," I hadn't heard of any group numbering twelve in Destiny. Obviously, it could be referring to something other than the gun itself, like the guardian themselves, but I thought you might find it interesting either way.
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Touch of Malice is definitely one as well. It has the same EXACT black smoke trajectory, it's made of Pryxs heart gosh damnit, it just looks and feel like thorn and necro. lore wise, idk. not a grimoire card
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Necrobump.
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2 RepliesWould like to hear about Touch of Malice since it most definitely is a Weapon of Sorrow.
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Not sure where this came from but I had the idea that Toland integrated his ghost into Bad Juju, which is why it appears to have almost a mind of its own. It's the sort of thing I could see him doing and getting exiled for.
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I picture bad juju as an atomic weapon. It pulls matter from its victims and then converts that matter to ammo. In the grimoire it says that the there is no explanation for its hunger, but I believe that like the hive it has a primal urge to consume.
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4 RepliesDidn't Toland capture a wizard and interrogate her/him/it (I still don't know if they're female or male) maybe it learnt the secrets of the hives weapons from the wizard itself
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2 RepliesLook in Nechrochasm's description. It says Nechrochasm is a weapon of sorrow, you could've saved yourself some time and explanation.
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5 RepliesEdited by Sick my Duck: 4/15/2015 5:04:23 PMTL/DR: the hive like the color green You can thank me later
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He created a monster
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Nice. I call it the Ju Ju Hound in game.
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*I wrote a detailed answer to what Bad juju really is, but i sadly clicked on another page :(, so this is a summary* Bad Juju is a collection of plenty of things, Hive magics, Ahamkaras mysterious void, and a source of light and dark. Thus leading the perk: String of Curses. Toland attempts to imitate The darkness and other beings mechanics and knowledge into his own. This fits Toland as he, himself had been exiled. In the Grimoire Toland had mentioned than rather making weapons out of idea, why not an understanding of evil and light? This lead to everyone thinking Toland going crazy. Alas...Mad Warlock. Bad Juju is not a Weapon of Sorrow, but it does have that element to it. Bad Juju is a weapon wavering that devours light and dark. 'There must be a structured, mechanical explanation for this weapon's hunger for combat. There must be. But none has been found.'
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Bad Juju is a weapon of sorrow.
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Don't forget
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1 ReplyEris?
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2 RepliesReply for later?
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1 ReplyI don't think it's a coincidence that the Mask of the Third Man looks like a Hive Acolyte. Even freakier is that it's perk allows less energy to be consumed at a Bladedancer, this gives me a Jack the Ripper vibe, someone's been stabbing, alot.
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1 ReplyOh hey Anon.
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16 RepliesI think everyone needs to stop making super weapons it doesn't end well Fireteam tuyet died making pocket infinity Red deaths creator turned insane Thorns owner transformed into dredgen yor, Tolands thirst for knowledge/power caused him to craft bad juju and get exiled Wielding necrochasm will ensure you never win a gun fight again. Seriously though the text implies it can taint guardians light , I can't understand why the hive made it though, was it for them to wield or where they hoping guardians would find it and succumb to the dark side, similar to dredgen yor either way it didn't end well for crota and his army's we -blam!-ed them up in the dark bellow
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11 RepliesThis is somewhat old but the Bad Juju being a magnificent gun no where is said to be Darkness Infused that could possibly mean that it would be a Hive weapon but if Toland or whoever got their hands on it might have modified it. All in all Toland is the most idiotical Warlock to me in a way.
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1 ReplyNice!!
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Interesting. Nothing to add but I'll bump the post [spoiler]bump[/spoiler]
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3 RepliesTo me, the real question is why was Bad Juju not made into a weapon of sorrow by the hive, given Tolands ambitions. It could be that they saw him more as a threat, someone learning their secrets with more of a motive to defeat them/steal their power. It could just be that they never set up the meeting. Who knows on that one
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Bad juju loves me, and check the stats, god i love her !
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love the theories dude.
