So, OP. A question if you will. You say it's our fault for there being no Raid, and it's the fact that we bitched over CE length, no PvE activities, etc. that got a new Raid axed from House of Disappointment. So then, going by your logic; all the people who bought the game, funneled money to Bungie by purchasing the Pass based on their reputation... they should just be happy with lack of content, innumerable bug/glitches in those very same Raids? The fact that Bungie can't fix an issue without creating a whole host of new issues, we should just be happy and accept that? Or how about upgrades? The fact that they arbitrarily released an upgrade for weapons that not only allowed them to have a slightly higher attack rating, but then set you back (possibly by weeks worth of time for multiple weapons) due to Bungie wiping out your forward progress? That should be OK? Or how about them setting up arbitrary roadblocks to player progress and advancement just so that we wouldn't chew through their (very) limited content, thus increasing the time necessary to be spent in the game, which makes 'The Dark Blows' [i]look[/i] like it has a lot of content, when really it's pretty damn threadbare? We should have just shrugged our shoulders and accepted a product that is the exact opposite of the game that all of their marketing (even all the way up to launch day) said we would be getting on that disc? They [i]might have[/i] axed a Raid just because we were bitching. But I don't think 'House of Disappointment' is anything more than came with 'The Dark Blows', and I think that Bungie knew that if they released an obviously half-assed attempt at a Raid like they did with 'Scrotum's End', there would be a very quick mass-exodus from their game. People were already leaving, sure. But we haven't had any. [i][b]any[/i][/b] player population bragging numbers from Bungie in [b]months.[/b] I think their player populations have finally hit that low point that Bungie realized that it finally cannot afford to have any more players leave. I think they finally see that another debacle, any more of the bullshit that they've been shoveling at us for eight months... well, they can't afford any more mass-exoduses from this game. Or at least, they can't have it happen and still expect Activi$ion to not "acquire" and then dissolve Bungie in order to recover the losses that they're taking. I think they yanked the Raid as a way to try to say that it wasn't done (even thoughwe know from data miners that it has been doine for quite a while), that it "wasn't up to their standards", as a way to make us think that they actually care. No, OP. ActiBungie yanked the Raid to redesign it. To (hopefully) add more to it. To make it an actual Raid, not a strike where a whole team is reduced to support players for one guy with a sword. They're trying to keep this game alive, but finally the numbers work in the players favor. And those numbers say that they can't afford to lose any more of us. So in a way; yes, it is our fault that there's no Raid. But we are very, very justified in our howling and screaming tirades over the lack of a product that Bungie tried to push off on us. If you pay for a product based on its advertised value/content (as we all did with this game and in our purchases in every other industry on the planet), then you get a product that has next to nothing that was advertised to you, then you have a reason to not only bitch, but to bitch loudly. Maybe now we finally got the ear of that bag-of-smashed-assholes named Bobby Kotick. Maybe finally we got through to Acti$hit via the only means we had. Player population plummeting into the 4th circle of Hell thus reducing their revenue by a toxic amount. Maybe now they'll give us the product that they said we'd get all those months ago.

I disagree about the firefight being awesome, it didn't give anything in return. I want to earn more things from this arena mode not just survive longest...

So my issue is giving that credit for pushing back the raid to "make it better" can you show me where they said this

This is so true it's painful. The Destiny community is the biggest group of ingreatful assholes I've ever seen

The Raid to be released later this year will be an exclusive. It was mentioned in the initial release of HoW information

Let's see, according to figures released by Bungie, only 20% of active players do the raid. Bungie focused on PVP and raids far more in the first seven months than PVE. PVE players leave in droves for lack of content, same ol' same ol',,,,,,,,,,no thanks, can only kill Valus, Sepkis, etc. so many times it's numbing. Bungie has elected to try and save 80% of its' player base by pissing off the elitists 20% raiders. Smart business decision, if the PVE content and excitement is there.

Nother puss talking about halo and its amazing online experience. Get off your knees you fanboy. Bungie done messed up

If someone needs to get off the high horse, it's someone who thinks that a small vocal minority had an impact such as removing a raid from an expansion. This isn't the same as something minor like adding vault space, this is major content. He reason had nothing to do with the players, but more than likely something on their end.