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Edited by DDiabolico:
4/9/2015 10:20:26 AM
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Crota's End, smart loot system?
Hey guys,
First of all, this isn't a 'Destiny sucks, bc I don't get any loot' post. I just wanna share some opinions with you and maybe start an informative discussion.
I, for myself, don't know what's going on behind Bungie's loot system but overall it seems that it isn't random at all. I'm mainly talking about the droprates in the Crota's End raid. I've finished it quite often on NM and a few times on HM. On NM I already got the shotgun 4 times and the fusion rifle 2 times. I got the helmet once and several times I just got shards and energies from Crota. I'm not ranting but when Bungie said that the new loot system will be smarter I expected something different. Over the last 3 weeks I ran the normal raid with both of my characters (Warlocks on level 32 and 31) which is a total of 6 runs and I just got shards and energy from Crota, no special weapons at all. On the other hand I got every primary weapon apart from the scout rifle in just one run of HM. It just seems odd to me when comparing the loot some of my friends get all the time. A friend of mine already got the Gjallarhorn 3 times in a row when doing normal mode while others just get a class item for the hundredth time. Another funny thing I experienced myself is: I never got lucky in getting the Icebreaker so I finally purchased it from Xur a while back. Two weeks later I had my second character maxed out on level 31 and what happened? On my first Crucible match with the 2nd character I got the Icebreaker, a day later Ir Yut dropped it for me in the raid, the same day a Legendary Engram turned into Icebreaker and a week after I got the Icebreaker from a ROC strike. For me there are too many strange things going on and the whole loot system, especially regarding the one in the raid and how exotics drop, seems like it isn't RNG at all.
How are your thoughts about it?
edit 1: Just got both the Black Hammer and Hunger of Crota in two consecutive runs with my two characters. I don't want to rub this under anyone's nose, it just seems odd to me getting both weapons I wanted in a 20min timeframe.
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1 Reply56 raid completions on normal. Still no black hammer. I've gotten roughly 20 song of ir yuts. It's not smarter, the drop rate is just a lot higher than VoG
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I've had all weapons and armour bar HoC and one chest plate. Now I don't even get dupes, just radiants - it's extremely annoying
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I have had all drops from both normal and hard Crota, however it seems the Gravebreaker and Bane of Dark Gods are the most uncommon drops. Yet every Atheon kill gives me another timebreaker..
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2 RepliesIn my opinion it seem the drop rate for one item increase every time you get it. Like for me no exotic. Bought the last word. Than got it nightfall and etcetera. But after that I got another exotic. Same effect happen. I think to get the gear you actually want you gotta "unlock it" first
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I've had nothing but shards and energy on completion of Crota for all 3 of my characters, for the last 3 weeks running :-/
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Edited by Schuzzle6utt: 4/10/2015 7:08:41 AMStill haven't gotten a damn Hunger of Crota. This is getting annoying.
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I received 9 fang or Ir yuts before I finally got the word of crota, but they said it was smart not a genius.
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6 RepliesThe loot system is designed to keep you coming back. You play all the time then it doesnt need to give you nice loot as often. If your a casual player it will shower you with gifts to try get you hooked.
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4 RepliesI got all the normal raid weapons in 2 runs and 3 runs for hard. Armor my titan got all in one run. Warlock took 5 runs and hunter took 10 to get the chest.
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2 RepliesHonestly , it's a love, hate relationship. I HATE the loot because it gives me every piece of armor in one run and I'm left hoping for a piece of armor with a better roll. Whereas in VoG, I had a full strength chestplate and was happy! I love VoG's loot system for the randomness, but when I get the Word of Crota after two runs, and the Fatebringer after (and I'm not kidding) 67 runs, there seems to be a little bit of brokenness. Crotas loot system gives everyone everything, and VoG's loot system was completely random and unfair at times. I think that there might be an alternative and that is to decrease the chances to get certain items (like armor) and have it so it's more random. I feel VoG had the better loot system, but IMO they were both not perfect.
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1 ReplyI'm at about 50 normal mode completions and no light of the abyss or black hammer. 20+ hard mode completions and no crux. Go figure
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1 ReplyI'm just happy that it isn't the same algoritm they used in VoG. That shit pissed me off, i Can only fake excitement for materials for a very short time
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1 ReplyCrota's loot system seems to work for me. It attempts to give me what I have less of/don't have. I've received the last couple exotics I need from it (minus truth and the crux) and I've received all raid weapons/3 sets of armor. I've ran it every week but the first week it was out.
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I know people think shards suck getting, but thats whats keeping me from getting to 32
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For 5 weeks(NM when first released) I couldn't get any raid armor until the 4th week along with a shit load of shards and energies. I did get all the NM weapons though(no helmet). On HM day 1 with one character I got 3 abyss, oversoul, and the scout. One the my second I got the word. I took about 4 more weeks until I got my first helmet. Stopped playing destiny so I never got the Crux. But honestly who wants an oversized paperweight lol
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Overall I've had pretty good luck in Crotas End despite only running it maybe a dozen times in total between both difficulties. However the raid refuses to drop me gloves. I need them for both of my characters and they will not drop. I have to run exotic gauntlets to stay 32, which isn't really a bad thing I guess since my Don't Touch Me gauntlets are ideal for CE. I've gotten four helmets though, two with Infusion. Go figure. Also got all four hard mode Primaries in only two runs, and duplicates of all besides the Fang in subsequent runs. Gloves and Black Hammer. Come on CE hook me up next week.
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5 RepliesParagraphs please. I think the system should have you start at the base % for that character (let's say 3% chance for blackhammer) and every week the chance goes up by 1% until you get it and it resets back to 1%. The rng in this game seems unnecessary. If a player does a raid 16 times that is like 4 months of clears. After that people should be getting black hammers and a gally. Let's say gally is a 0.1% chance per activity but goes up by x% for each activity ... a dedicated player will get it with the effort. I feel bad for players running content since day 1 with no gally. Same for items like black hammer. Do I need it? No. But it would be nice to have after so many raids. I think Bungie did this for armor in crotas end but should also be applied to weapons.
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1 Reply"Smart loot system" doesn't mean you'll get a different item every time. If it did you would only do the raid a couple of times. You can always pick out the people who haven't ever tried end game content in an MMO (not saying this is one necessarily). Their expectations are so vastly different. Try a 25 man raid that takes a couple hours and getting nothing from it cause no items dropped for your class. Or if it did, you got out rolled by someone else.
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2 RepliesThey seemed to have mastered the art of giving the player just enough to keep them playing. Hey, you're a casual player who doesn't play often. Here's a Gjallarhorn, level that up and have fun with it. You're hooked. Hey, you're a hardcore who needs Gjallarhorn more than anything. You're already sinking countless hours into raids and strikes every week over three characters. We wouldn't want that to end, here's your 50th No Land Beyond.
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Edited by DDiabolico: 3/31/2015 9:22:28 PMYeah, yet another useless week. Despite getting one piece of armor at the bridge I just got 6 shards from Crota in two complete runs NM. What is this? For some time I even got the shotgun over and over again but in the past weeks it's just shards and energy. I'm nearly done with this game, it's just not fun anymore. But hey, at least Bungie gave me with the 4th Thunderlord in 2 weeks. Should it be normal to get the same exotics (which are sooo rare to drop) a million times before getting two "guaranteed" legendaries from the raid?
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I feel you after 15 hard completion and getting 10 word of crotas no fang or crux I feel your pain
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its smart in terms of keeping you play by not giving you what you need
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1 ReplyI need the chest piece and helmet for my hunter. Raid every week and can't get them to drop.... Cheers for the 6 pairs of gauntlets though !!! FML
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1 ReplyBy smarter they mean more evil and tantalizing. I got like three guantlets, two pants, and two chests, but never a helmet. Fortunately I bought Saint 14 eventually ;)
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I've thought the loot system is severely suspect for a long time. Along with what you have said I've also noticed that people who are under leveled, haven't played in a while or just aren't that good at the game(if you know what I mean) tend to get good loot drops more frequently. Almost like tbe game is intentionally trying to balance out poor play with better weapons.
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That game seems to drop you items that you already own more often. I had never got a rng uni remote or red death but after buying from xur I got dropped both of them through rng within 10 hours of buying each. This seems rediculous that after 800 hours into the game I would only get dropped these items once I purchased them. [spoiler]I've also gotten 8 suros regimes because it was my first exotic ever lol[/spoiler]
