No, I agree suros was op, not because kill time or perks. But ease of use, it was the easiest gun to use, anyone could pick up a Suros and do well. Excellent range, impact, no recoil, magazine size, the whole shabang. Red death is definitely up there atm but not op. Obstructive sights, relatively slow rate of fire. It's made up for by the excellent pvp perks and impact. Definitely deadly in the right hands. But you can still out play them, especially if you get close. Auto rifles pre nerf were the go to weapon. There was no reason to use anything else they were effective at any range against almost all other weapons. Sure you can outplay most of the nerds especiay with something like tlw or thorn and the right mobility Now with the nerf autorifles are limited to close to medium range. Giving pulse rifle users a chance to engage at a longer range, and hand cannon users to outgun them. The skill behind auto rifles now is to engage at a distance that you have an advantage in. Out of reach from shotguns, to close for pulse rifles to engage comfortably. Basically your only threats are fusion rifles and hand cannons. Both of which can be outgunned. Of course this is just looking at the guns, not personal skill, a good pulse rifle user can outgun an autorifle user by not missing and strafing effectively. Certain guns are still op for what they are however, imo. [spoiler]looking at you felwinter's lie[/spoiler]