I don't even use them anymore, the hit is very noticable with the high impact slower RoF guns, my shadow price is now in my overcrowded vault collecting dust. On the plus side I'm doing quite well using bad juju and three little words, beating out suros and most other ARs head to head on a regular basis. Sadly PvP is still a fusionfest, the most overused weapon barely got a nerf lol.