Ah Leviticus. Such a wise section of the Bible. A person who curseth his mother or farther must be killed. Leviticus 20:18 People who have flat noses, or are blind or are lame, cannot go to the alter of God. Leviticus 21:17-18 Don't wear clothing of more than one cloth Leviticus 19:19 Don't have a variety of crops in one field. Leviticus 19:19 Where is the word hell or did I read this wrong. Plus again, it was written by people that never met Jesus. Man invented it. Also can you clear up a couple other? More male inventions not in the bible Original sin Immaculate conception Popes The virgin birth is only in two of the gospels

I seriously can't tell which of you two is more clueless...

About what. Could you have made a more stupid reply.

1. You can edit posts, no need to reply to a single post twice like that. 2. Intelligence =/= Atheistic thinking. Really, if you think that theists cannot think at the same level of atheists, then you've had some strange experiences to get you to that point. There have been many great theistic Philosophers and Scientists. 3. In the Christian religion Jesus Christ's death signifies the fulfillment of the old law, that is the laws of the Old Testament outlined in books like Leviticus, which you were quick to mention, and for good reason as it's quite crazy looking at it from this time period. This essentially means, that Mankind is no longer bound to those laws and they can be forgiven and enter the Kingdom of Heaven. [quote]Plus I have made facts. Try and deny them.[/quote] You seem rather full of yourself, no offense. I'd stay more open to things and not get yourself so rooted in your beliefs unless you intend to become the opposite of the idea of stubborn theists, that I'm sure you must detest.

This is still based on a fictional book that was made up by people that never met Jesus. I'm fine with facts as they are hard to deny. Theists can talk about what ever they like, but this still won't make me feel like religion isn't up its own ass and hates to look at the real world.

I'm not trying to convert you or convince you that the Bible is the most historically accurate thing in the world. That being said, not all the book is fiction, we have historical records of things like the Hebrews going on their exodus from Egypt, believed archaeological ruins of Sodom and Gomorrah, tombs with inscriptions that date back to the correct time period and indicate the remains inside are disciples of Christ, and stuff like that. Now, was Christ the son of God and did all the events said happen exactly as they were said to? We don't know and can't really tell for certainty, so that's up to you to decide. While it might be concerning that the oldest known copies of the books of the Gospel weren't written until a couple hundred years after Christ's death, that doesn't really invalidate the stories. Sure, some became slightly different, but all keep to the same thing and are still pretty consistent. Even modern translations have shown that the oldest copies we have of the Gospel are almost exactly the same to what we had before we found them. [quote]Theists can talk about what ever they like, but this still won't make me feel like religion isn't up its own ass and hates to look at the real world.[/quote] Now, why would you say that?

After reading that you have given me hope about those who have God with them. How can you believe what you believe after writing what you wrote. Like in knowing that all those text that don't match in the Bible? Understanding that this could just have been made up?

The texts that don't match? Well, I don't really know if there's any that don't exactly match, but there are parts that are obviously opinionated pieces by the authors. Like Peter's letters, in Romans I think it talks about how he believed that women should be subordinate to men, but that's obviously not what God in the Bible wants, Jesus outright chose Mary to be one of his disciples for that reason. Some parts of the Bible are widely acknowledged as metaphors/parables/myth/etc. One of the things I remember learning that really shed some light on things was how the very beginning of Genesis isn't meant to be some literal recollection of how God made the universe, it's really just a poem. You can go ahead and look at it, it's structured just like that, and it ends with God creating Humanity, intending that God saved his best creation for last and that was Mankind. You've also got the story of Lot and his family who leave Sodom and Gomorrah before God destroys the cities. In that story God's angels warn them not to look back at the city as they leave or they will die. Lot's wife ended up looking back at the city and turned into a statue/pillar of salt. That's really just there to be an explanation for why the Salt Pillars in that region exist. [quote]How can you believe what you believe after writing what you wrote.[/quote] Let me ask you, how can you believe what you believe knowing that you don't have all the scientific answers to everything? That is how Christians believe what they believe. You don't know, it's a matter of faith, perhaps one belief requires somewhat more than the other, but they both need it in the end.

I have many scientific facts for me to believe. Certainly more than Christians have. The creation of the universe and evolution give me better answers than a book written 2000 years ago. These and the continuing facts that we learn every day. I like science because I can accept that if we learn a new piece of evidence that disproves new information, that we were wrong. Religion does not have room for this. You must have faith. It's too easy. It's selling a invisible product, always.

[quote]I have many scientific facts for me to believe. Certainly more than Christians have.[/quote] Okay, so? Would you care to give examples so I can tell what you're believing as facts Christians don't have? [quote]The creation of the universe and evolution give me better answers than a book written 2000 years ago.[/quote] Uh, okay? That wasn't at all my point. [quote]These and the continuing facts that we learn every day. I like science because I can accept that if we learn a new piece of evidence that disproves new information, that we were wrong. Religion does not have room for this. You must have faith. It's too easy. It's selling a invisible product, always.[/quote] Yeah, this isn't correct. Science and Religion are not two conflicting things. Like I said, some of the greatest philosophers and scientists have been religious, Issac Newton was Christian. The discovery of new things and the scientific process is not something religion is against, but that seems like what you're saying, correct me if I'm wrong? Religion isn't a magical solution to all problems, it doesn't answer everything.

One at a time. Being Gay is a sin according to Christianity. Science has discovered the gay gene.