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I would honestly go down in the books as being a guy who would not play Destiny, but the thing is, I've been up and down with video games for over 30 years now and I know better then to say I don't like something when I play it even once a month.
The thing is, and this is very difficult to explain to anyone who is in or below their late 20's... one must be cognoscenti of the process at work and allow it to progress at it's proper and due diligence pace. It's the EXACT same thing in the work environment. I could list a thousand different paths, options, alternatives, and potential expansion ideas to Destiny. It flows so naturally since I work with computers where, in a very broad sense, our jobs is to find multiple solutions for a single problem.
However... there is the concepts and definitions of control, quality assurance, motivation, player options (menu and extension menu paths all rolled into one), and many other things, but there is also the warning signs of those who are too young, too inexperienced, and too easily fed up because of many different reasons. Maybe it's cultural. Maybe generational. Maybe it's just a matter of maturity.
Kotaku. I don't know what that is. What is the norm for its content. I don't know anything about it. I see the man who wrote this, Kirk Hamilton though, was not professional enough to post a small bibliography explanation for himself like most self respecting journalists are trained to do. This might be a blogger. That's fine.
Go to his Twitter... "Writer, composer, saxophonist, omnivore. Editor at @Kotaku. Video games, music, guacamole. Portland, OR, Joined April 2009".
Google.com "Kirk Hamilton"
Result: http://kirkhamilton.com/
I like the website. I also like anime. I see he's writing a quick article. At glance, I can immediately see this person is a quality person who writes reviews for music, as well as be a musician, and is involved with video games.
Why did I do all of that for 1 minute of my time? Because if it took 20 minutes of my time? I'd still put in the effort. Knowing someone so well on a professional level is the baseline for understanding the person behind the computer screen. You don't get that from normal day to day interactions. You don't see the person so much as you see what you like in the person.
The exact same concept applies to every video game around the world.
The bad thing? I can already tell this writer has entrenched himself in concepts of specific nature towards Destiny which is not worth my time of day. As a review writer... especially as a review writer... I have to hold myself to a higher form of accuracy which is ultimately expressed in an age old philosophy:
"I know what I know... I know what I don't know... and I don't know... what I don't know."
Now I could explain the history of such a statement, but I'd rather just get on with this post.
The review writer, Mr. Hamilton, is not trying to take the saying and apply it to the review. As such, it holds no evidence or integrity to me. I cannot begin to explain the negative ramifications of using source material, found in various places across the internet and in real life, when the internet and people in real life have always violated the fundamental rule of history.
Destiny offers a lot of capabilities to people. It's interactive entertainment. It's not meant to be this grand scheme of things you wish it to be. Personality conflicts with a video game is asking for a shorter tunnel vision. I should know. I left Halo because of it. My last game for Halo, as well as watching anything related to it, was because I saw the quality assurance drop. I still see it.
Companies NEED to innovate. Destiny is the FIRST shooter to introduce the concepts it has across the both sets of playstation AND Xbox consoles. You don't get any better then that. Forget the entire argument of content. Name one other game which can compare to Destiny capabilities.
Don't think of the negative. Be mindful of it, know it is there, but realize the truth of the situation is not to break down and say how you experience one thing, talk to a few people in real life, jump on for a strike, go to a subreddit website, read a few conversations, and highlight things when the entire internet. Literally all of it... encompasses a grand total of 1/3 to 1/4 of the entire Destiny base for a single console. For all four? It's significantly smaller.
It's funny I'm back to reddit.com of all websites. I left that website for good reason. It wasn't because of /r/destinythegame either. It was /r/politics. The quality assurance of that website is so far down the expectations guidelines it is widely revered by numerous professions to be the place where those who want to understand something, but understand nothing of the spirit of things and then say those who speak up are wrong, go.
I would NEVER reference reddit.com. It's like referencing wikipedia.com on a scholarly paper. Your entire work would be thrown out because of it. I wish reddit to be quality. But it is a collection of articles, poorly written, by individuals like Mr. Hamilton which makes me wonder not at the integrity of a person or individual reading, but about the biggest picture of them all:
If they make these mistakes... what is to happen in the future when they use these experiences to justify their own choices because no one informed them they were incorrect in doing those things at all? Where does that put societies? Countries? Leaders? I'll tell you where. In a worse place... because you repeated history. The history of not acknowledging your own biased stances. It's not wrong to be biased. You just have to be so mindful of it you allow it to change yourself. But we all know how people detest change... don't we, Destiny community?
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It's clear from reading this that English isn't your first language. It made me wish I had a red pen.
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I was just free writing and not really aiming for grammatical correctness. Still though, feel free to take your post and make it somehow contribute to the topic of Destiny.
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Unfortunately, your lack of attention to grammar and structure means that your own point is close to indecipherable. I carried on reading it only due to a grim fascination at how logic and language could be mangled into total incoherency.
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[quote]Unfortunately, your lack of attention to grammar and structure means that your own point is close to indecipherable. [/quote] Actually it doesn't. Structure was never a prerequisite for understanding. How else do you think we evolved the natural languages we use today at ALL? [quote]I carried on reading it only due to a grim fascination at how logic and language could be mangled into total incoherency.[/quote] As I said to the other individual then. This post is about highlighting a trail or path of logic I don't expect most to get. I've acknowledged language as the foundation for such and if you simply are not used to reading it like that? It will be misunderstood. Again, no issues with that. What you have sir is the typical college student mentality of knowledge empowerment. I shed that many years ago and I suggest you do the same.; Knowledge is NOT something to ever be used against someone or to belittle it. This is a lesson which needs to be repeated continually throughout a persons educational journey. Irony it was only outside of college I learned it and from no better source of information: My mother. lol...
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Edited by MightySebastian: 4/12/2015 9:37:16 AM"Actually it doesn't. Structure was never a prerequisite for understanding. How else do you think we evolved the natural languages we use today at ALL?" Inaccurate. Syntax is vital for understanding and the structure of an argument is what leads to comprehension. You say "This post is about highlighting a trail or path of logic I don't expect most to get." Sadly, it's the lack of cohesion in your writing that means people won't get it. There's also a bizarre arrogance to this assumption, the point you're trying to make is very simple and could be summed up in a very easy to understand couple of sentences. Unfortunately, I've met your type before, I doubt that actual logic and a structured argument will make you understand. Please, continue with your ad hominem arguments.
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[quote]Inaccurate. Syntax is vital for understanding and the structure of an argument is what leads to comprehension.[/quote] Not true. Thousands of years from the early stages of warfare/economical build or marksmanship into the cultural and linguistic arts has been well documented. We do not hold syntax in nearly as high regard as we do comprehension through logic patterns. Outside of the english language you really only have one language which prides itself on syntax: Japanese. And even then, there's well into the tens and hundreds of millions of words in that language. You can't learn it all. Think about ASL, American Sign Language. Now think about French Sign Language. Now think about Korean and Italian Sign Languages. They ALL are different structures. They all are different syntax's. The signs though, the logic of how they are applied, and the common etiquette afforded between two or more signers shows why the world simply can't acknowledge syntax as much as logic patterns. [quote]You say "This post is about highlighting a trail or path of logic I don't expect most to get." Sadly, it's the lack of cohesion in your writing that means people won't get it.[/quote] Another age old rule you just broke: Never speak for someone else. Never. I don't care if you are conditioned to write such ways. Don't do it. You speak for yourself and yourself only. You are, literally, the only individual who is on this particular topic and replied to me about the grammatical structure you are affiliated with. Personally speaking, I do not have an issue with that. The ever thoughtful inner conversation of what happens to the educational standard you studied to learn suddenly going to waste was always a fear when I was young. The thing is? 12% of people graduate college in their lifetime with a Bachelors degree or higher in the United States. [quote]Unfortunately, I've met your type before[/quote] Psychology professors would tell you it is impossible to meet someone's "type" as the individual results can never be collaborated. Profiles are detailed and can be very helpful is without question, but to meet another persons' "type" is not possible. Don't worry. You'll get older and this will become apparent to you without the need of this talk over a video game forum.
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There are so many basic mistakes in your understanding of the semiotics of language it's painful. I'd be banging my head against a wall to point out that you're communicating right now with written English and... I give up.
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This is quite tedious, I'm interested to know how old you think I am? I was almost lured into a long response then but it's apparent that you genuinely believe yourself to be A: Superior to everyone else and B: Correct. Neither of which are true. It's interesting that the crux of your arguments throughout this thread and indeed your original argument is that personal opinion is irrelevant and flawed and yet you hold your own opinion in such high regard. You also seem totally blind to this dichotomy. Perhaps when you get older you'll realise the flaws in firstly the manner of your discourse and secondly the folly of assumptions.
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I see badly worded sentences on this forum all the time yet even I can comprehend the message people are trying to convey. If you find yourself unable to understand people because they lack proper grammar, as long as it isn't completely atrocious, I'd say the problem lies with the individual who is having a hard time making sense of it.
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Oh man, this is a new and masterful way to troll. I mean, it is way more effort then I would ever want to put in, but congratulations, you really roped them in. I know you will deny it so you can keep this going but I just wanted to let you know your effort has really paid off. 10/10
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[quote]I know you will deny it so you can keep this going but I just wanted to let you know your effort has really paid off. 10/10[/quote] You can interpret it any way you want. Like I said down below: I'm not going to bother convincing you of something. This is merely highlighting inconsistent source information with a review made by someone who claims to like Destiny. If you get it? You get it. If you don't? You don't. That's it.
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Sticking to your guns, I like it. ; ) You should probably not reply to this though, don't want the rubes to catch on. AMIRITE
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[quote]You should probably not reply to this though, don't want the rubes to catch on. [/quote] The more the merrier, but I'm going to stop with you in particular because I don't see this going anywhere fast enough for my liking.
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So I had a few problems with your post: 1. Destiny is not a new innovation. All of its "inventions" have merely been ripped off from other games, and poorly. WOW has raids, numerous games use RNG, crucible is basically a poor version of halo multiplayer, and the rarity system has been around as long as RNG, maybe even longer. 2. Even though the players on reddit and Bungie.net don't represent the majority of players, they do represent the consistent players. These people will buy the dlcs and play this game until the next one releases. Keeping this part of the fanbase is critical to game's long term success. 3. This isn't the place for essays. Try to make your writing more short and to the point.
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[quote]1. Destiny is not a new innovation. All of its "inventions" have merely been ripped off from other games, and poorly.[/quote] When someone made the alphabet and someone else reorganized it into new sentences and meanings, I guess that wasn't an innovation. When someone took existing concepts from a car and made it smaller for use on lawns, I guess that wasn't an innovation. Destiny is an innovation standard. There's no other game which combines four console systems, FPS, and all the components of it. You came to destiny just to do raids? You can't till you get to level 26. You came to have a max level with only strength modifiers on it? You will have a very long trial ahead of you. There are challenges Destiny has presented which are standalones compared to all previous "innovations". That's the purpose of reorganizing them. What you are talking/thinking about? It's called an original innovation. And there's very few things which are original after 2000 years of innovating each generation. [quote]2. Even though the players on reddit and Bungie.net don't represent the majority of players, they do represent the consistent players.[/quote] Consistent is a bad word. What you mean to say, I think, is the most vocal. And that would also be wrong. Why? Bungie took it upon themselves to see full range of statistics and data on all players without them SPEAKING to Bungie but are still COMMUNICATING to them. By how they play and by working towards players end goals on where they farm or why ammo drops more in certain encounters and why more players find this area easier in the Crotas End Raid or Omnigul strike then the other areas. [quote]3. This isn't the place for essays. Try to make your writing more short and to the point.[/quote] The determining factor of that is the post limitations. 10,000 characters. You're right. That's not nearly enough for an essay.
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So I had a few problems with your post: 1. Destiny is not a new innovation. All of its "inventions" have merely been ripped off from other games, and poorly. WOW has raids, numerous games use RNG, crucible is basically a poor version of halo multiplayer, and the rarity system has been around as long as RNG, maybe even longer. 2. Even though the players on reddit and Bungie.net don't represent the majority of players, they do represent the consistent players. These people will buy the dlcs and play this game until the next one releases. Keeping this part of the fanbase is critical to game's long term success. 3. This isn't the place for essays. Try to make your writing more short and to the point.
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This is the most poorly written wall of text I've ever seen on here. It's fascinating how you can use so many words and not say anything comprehensible.
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Edited by PhNx Hellfire: 2/12/2015 3:37:28 AM[quote]This is the most poorly written wall of text I've ever seen on here.[/quote] This is one of those posts where the text either translates to you and you understand the underlying concepts at work or you don't and are confused by what is meant. It's fine you don't get it. [quote]It's fascinating how you can use so many words and not say anything comprehensible.[/quote] [quote]The thing is, and this is very difficult to explain to anyone who is in or below their late 20's[/quote] The thing is I know it is difficult for many people to get the underlying message being spread here. It's literally not meant to appeal to anyone. This is why it is very difficult to understand. 90% of the entire internet is based on misinformation and trying to convince people of something. This post only highlights and clarifies the issue at hand. It's a lot of words. Filled with more meaning then the typical post for that reason. I didn't spare any educational boundaries with this. So again... it's fine if NO ONE gets this. It's not particularly special or pedestal worthy if that is also what you are jumping at. It's simply a post, meant to confuse at first, but when you stop and try and ask yourself what is meaning said here? You'll find that with enough thought about it? It's just a clever way of making someone's thoughts about a particular subject... it's all it ever is/was.
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It's difficult for some to understand because you use a lot of filler words. I could easily go through your essay and cut the filler and still make your point.
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Don't flatter yourself.
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I edited that. Meant to put a "not" in that spot. Thanks for the check.
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Excuse me?
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Original: [quote]It's particularly special or pedestal worthy if that is also what you are jumping at.[/quote] Edit: [quote]It's[b] not [/b]particularly special or pedestal worthy if that is also what you are jumping at.[/quote] You are jumping to another conclusion. This isn't about my intelligence.
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No. It's just bad. It's the kind of writing you use to pad a college essay when you don't know what the hell you're writing about. You try and sound smart and maybe confuse the professor enough that maybe he'll throw you a passing grade. Nice try though, I'm sure you had no problems meeting page quotas.
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[quote]No. It's just bad.[/quote] Kid. College will help highlight this, but there is no such thing as bad. There's educational boundaries for a reason and those who use knowledge to belittle someone rather then clarify is why you say it is bad. It's also something of a habit though. Which means you are conditioned to think that way. I'll say it many times: It's not an issue people don't get it. I've been up and down that road, combined it with a wealth of experience, and there's only thing I've found about the technological age: people today are worse off then the previous generations were and it has nothing to do with technology. It's always been the same problem and solution: people are people. Maturity in some is not the same as it is others. [quote]It's the kind of writing you use to pad a college essay when you don't know what the hell you're writing about.[/quote] Actually, it's not the kind of writing you use to write a college essay at all. I've written numerous research papers all in the 70+ single spaced APA and MLA formats. Research can be taken two ways: those who understand something and can piece it together like I do and those who are on another great and informative path which I don't understand particularly because it has no merit in mathematical or scientific logic. [quote]You try and sound smart and maybe confuse the professor enough that maybe he'll throw you a passing grade. [/quote] "There's no Leader, There's no Guru, There's no Master, There's no Savoir. You yourself are The Teacher, The Master, The Savoir, The Leader..."-Jiddu Krishnamurti I could explain it's origins if you want. Again, a lesson I learned while in college many years ago. The difference is though I don't belittle knowledge or you. You want to get on my level? We'll have a chat. You want to insult me? Grinning and smiling constantly over here. You see kid. I served in the Navy before I went to college. I ran and maintained a network operations center and when I got my degree in Information Technology from the University of San Diego (private college) I went through just as many essays and capabilities as when I served. You want to challenge me? You won't live up to the task. Again. I don't bother belittling your words or you. Relax. Take a chill pill. It's not wrong to say certain things and be proud of them. What is wrong if you say them under conditions where you know they aren't acceptable or ok. Just remember that I will remember the choice of words when your profile is automatically muted after this and so long as you apologize like you probably have never done in your life because you are perfect and mommy told you so (you should be laughing at this. This is a joke where I work. "I'm perfect because my mommy said so! lol) , we'll be cool at the end of the day. The essays I wrote I overachieved. I've written 17 70+ research papers over 9 courses. Some were about the IT side of things. Some in the humanities. Some even the boring "Ferris Buller" mathematics courses. To steal a quick quote from a Navy seal, "Anything worth doing is worth overdoing." It's why the limit was 80 pages, minimum 50. You stop thinking like a normal essay and start putting 2 and 2 together. The more topics, the more understanding. The more understanding, the more topics. Don't worry about the topic anymore. If you want to chat speak your mind.
