http://kotaku.com/five-months-in-hardcore-destiny-players-are-hitting-a-1684813586
This is not a bash. It comes from someone who, like many of us, really likes Destiny but is reaching a point of burn-out. The things that popped out to me are the lack of carrots and poor communication from Bungie.
If you trawl the forums, you'll find many threads dedicated to each point made, but this is a handy summation of the frustration hardcore Destiny players are, and have been, facing of late.
I'm no hater, and like Kirk, the article's author, I know there's an unbelievable game inside Destiny. I'm looking forward to HoW, but until then, it'll just have to be a strike now and again.
Edit 1: You guys all rock. It's been a very clear-headed conversation in here so far, aside from some weak trolls. And thanks for the bumps! I think it's good to read what a lot of us have been thinking.
Edit 2: I'm pretty sure the forum ninjas have buried any Kotaku-related posts so they don't trend. That's their prerogative, and somewhat understandable despite the normal levels of vitriol you can generally find on these forums.
Feel free to bump if you think others should read it but, after over twenty-four hours of pretty constant replies from you crazy, magnificent bastards, it's fair to say that we don't need an article to spur healthy discussion about one of our favorite games.
[spoiler]You guys are -blam!-ing killing my phone.[/spoiler]
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Thx for sharing this great article. The issues have been there for a while. Threads have been posted about these issues for a while. We enjoy playing this game. We are even addicted to it. But something just doesn't click together. The repetitiveness and lack of content are mind boggling.
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Edited by CheazyFries: 2/11/2015 4:44:25 AMI have the fortune, I guess, to only be able to play on the weekends for a little bit but still have about 300 hours total in with 2 level 31's and tons of great gear. The game hasn't burned out as fast for me as I find it relaxing just to grab a beer and grind strikes for no other reason than just to do so and chat with some randoms. The last few months though, I find myself having to make little things up to keep me motivated. I'll make a plan to buy a new gun just so I have a goal. Hit crucible, earn marks, buy gun, do stikes to get bounty's to level gun and repeat...but it's starting to wear thin. I've never done a raid yet, even with lfg I've only managed like four people in a lobby waiting until people get bored and back out. Managed one group where I was psyched but they pulled up an Atheon hard check point when we were supposed to go through it all and ended with just that encounter. Have a 300 Vision of Confluence now at least. Same with Crota, got into a group from lfg who were supposed to do the whole raid and started with a Crota checkpoint where we shot him, he stayed kneeling and a dude grabbed a sword and beat him. I did basically nothing. Guess my point is a shared sentiment, I have a few things to do but it's not likely I'll ever get to do them so until then...I'm getting bored. I just picked up Evolve and hope that's cool as I need something fresh. I love Destiny and I'll be back but if it's not for a raid then I don't know when.
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I used to love playing destiny. Now I feel more and more like that article describes. It feels more like a hamster wheel every day.
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This perfectly sums up my burn out on destiny. Once I realized I didn't want any of the dark below gear there was no reason to play. Destiny needs more stuff. More weapons, more activities, more events.
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They need to add new events and items worth completing the events for. If they bring back old events they should be changing the bounties. Add pulse rifle and scout rifle bounties to iron banner to make it more varied and interesting, and to encourage the use of weapons people wouldn't normally use. Make all of the IB weapons purchasable, not just a couple with the rest given out randomly. Throw in some updates with free downloadable story missions every now and then that actually progress the story and get players thinking again. Add custom games and a competitive skill ranking system and the competitive scene would soar. And get those hardcore modes started already! I'm a proponent of adding darkness levels as a parallel for players who want to fight for the other side. Several sets of possible max-level armor should be available, which each add unique bonuses that only affect a particular game mode, but which are the best for their respective game mode (and they should look good too). Of course they would all be quite difficult to get. What about self-customizable armor and weapons? A way to craft the specific abilities you would like into your gear to [i]make it your own[/i], [b]THAT[/b] is something I would love to see.
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Great post. It's true and the game is terrible.
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yerp.
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Yup this is true I've lost more than half my friends list that useto be always in destiny to doing other things or playing something else. They don't care about their "baby" It's so boring now. All I do is NIGHTFALLS for horrible rewards every week n the raid just for the crux bc I got everything already n it's stupid.
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Fantastic article that exemplifies exactly where I am with Destiny. C'mon Bungie. Show us you still care. Give us a reason to be wowed by this game again.
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Great post and fantastic article. I agree with all of it. Especially the weekly updates and Luke Smiths Much more useful info he dropped at 2am. That's the info we need from a Bungie update. I'm feeling the burnout too. I plan on hitting a few more weekly and nightfalls to save up coins. But it's time for a break.
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Gold.
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The real kick in the balls was when the heavy ammo glitch was being felt hard by the crota learning grind. That next week they come out interviewing some douche and deej is all happy about it. It was at that moment I realized how fuc ked the people who cared for this game were. Here they are doing a "community" focus event when 60+% of the community was b itching about crota bugs/heavy ammo glitch. The irony was cruel. How out of touch are they really with the "community"? How many of you honestly f ucking care about a speeder tournament? WE WANT GLITCHES FIXED. WE WANT SPACE VAULTS NOT A PULSE RIFLE BUFF(FFS!!!) That's the -blam!-ing community focus I want to read about. Not some faggy gaylord and his cool youtube channel of 6000 time regurgitated information.
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I completely understand his point. I do enjoy crucible though so that helps.
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I feel like I'm the only one who plays for fun, besides nightfalls. I could run vault forever
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I bought Dying Light and Advanced Warfare both in the last week. First games I've even played or touched since Destiny came out. I don't really want to play other games because Destiny is a solid game...there just isn't anything to do in it anymore. Not enough unique items, same bounties since launch, etc. Everyone I play with is falling off and I've lost the motivation as well. It desperately needs more content, bug fixes, etc.
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Edited by I3ridgeI3urner: 2/10/2015 11:16:10 PMThis is the best Destiny article written by a professional writer that I have ever read. Most telling was his comment about Luke Smith's remarks. That was the truth, and Deej needs to take a leaf out of Luke's book, or simply hand over the community role to Luke or someone like minded. Give us the truth, be respectful, and do not try to bullshit us around with smarmy nonsense. Secondly, why fool around with weapons balance, changing things we do not see as being essential, when the Raid/Raids have issues that are essential. Bng themselves have said that we will not notice many of the weapons changes, they are more nuance. Then who cares? Fix known bugs that we do absolutely notice. Third, his comments on Xur are spot on. He needs to have Heavy every week, and the excuse that he is random and out of Bungies control is nonsense. Until you fix the heavy bug, Xur needs to have heavy. None the less, this is still the best console game I have played in a long while. Crota hard tonight regardless of issues...For sure.
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Totally agree with Kirks article. Two weeks clean of the Destiny addiction. Put the game down cold turkey one day and haven't touched it since. Probably won't boot it up for a long while. Planning on playing HoW when it drops, but I feel if it's like TDB then it'll stop feeling new and interesting after a week or two and then start to feel like a chore to play.
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I've been raging all day about this. Well and P2P servers.
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Everything has a burn out, the more you throw yourself into it, without evolution, the sooner it comes. Lucky for me. Wife and kids keep me paced, I'm about to dive into raiding, and be rdy for the expansion when it comes. Usually I'm always playing catch up, so I can see others points of view, but that just means they have more time for other games in between.
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Edited by Divine-Confetti: 2/11/2015 3:26:36 AMDestiny has just become more of a chore than anything. Kinda sick of it. Raid (with me doing 2/3 of it while the others talk about random pointless nonsense), nightfall (and weekly if I feel like it), and for the past couple of weeks, bounties to get my new gear leveled...which really isn't worth it since they'll be surpassed by new raid gear on day one of HoW. So yeaaaah, I plan on taking a long break from Destiny. Still going to see what's up, though. Love to keep up with the times when it comes to games.
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Great article. Sums up my thoughts in their entirety. Last night before the reset, I had to physically force myself to solo the nightfall and weekly strikes twice each. Feeling "burned out" was an understatement at that point though, I guess.
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A lot of good points but one funny flaw in there. "I can't beat the hard raid." "I don't have anything left to do."
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100% agree. What's the point? I still need fatebringer, black hammer, and Hawkmoon. That's pretty much the only few things that would give me another week or two of gameplay. I've picked up dying light and I'm liking it more and more.
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I understand burnouts, I'm at the point where I really need to stop playing Destiny, its an addiction I need to break from.
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I've never been in greater agreement with reviews than I have been with Destiny reviews. I think it's because they're all rooted in the same fundamental failures of the game that merely manifest themselves over different horizons for folks. It's not some opinion, preference based interpretation of the game's mechanics and touch points. It's a factual representation of how there's this massive disconnect between what Destiny desires to be and how it gets there, and how that disconnect flies in the face of basic human feedback patterns.