originally posted in:Secrets of Destiny
The Traveler weighs approximately [b]185,333 times more than the Earth.
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I have some questions for you guys at the bottom of the post that relate to my assumptions and calculations, I want input from other passionate lore fans:
[b]Data, assumptions, volume calculations:[/b]
[spoiler]Measuring conservatively by using a ruler on my monitor to compare the traveler and a skyscraper, I got results that said the Traveler is approximately 22 times taller than the tallest tower in the center of The City.
Assuming the towers are similar to current human skyscrapers, I am giving them a height of 1,000 meters.
The traveler is roughly 22,000 meters tall.
I assume the outermost two layers [url=https://guardianrecon.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/traveler-close-up.jpg](the gray and the white plating[/url]) to be in total 1km thick.
Using a radius of 11,000 meters, I calculated the volume of the entire Traveler
V = 5.58×10^12 Cubic Meters
Subtracting the volume of a sphere with a radius of 10km from the volume of the Traveler in order to find the volume of the mantle
5.58×10^12m^3 - 4.19×10^12m^3
= 1.39^12m^3
That’s 1,390,000,000,000m^3
One trillion 390 billion cubic meters. [/spoiler]
[b]The materials listed by the Grimoire:[/b]
[spoiler]“Ghost Fragment: The Traveler
Dreams of Alpha Lupi
You have lived as invisibly as possible, flicking from solar system to solar system, making grand plans, overseeing the culturing of civilizations, before leaving in a blink. But you have no recollection of ever wanting worship or even thanks from those blessed by you.
But memory is heavy now.
It feels like lead and neutronium and electroweak matter fashioned into a moon-sized ball that you must carry as you move.
Now, your flight is rapid, your vast mind infected with such dread and toxic doubt that you find yourself afraid of the simple act of thought.
And it is your children you must turn to now, in time of need.”[/spoiler]
[b]Final calculations:[/b]
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Three materials are listed, Lead, Neutronium, and Electroweak Material. I’m paying close attention to the mention of Neutronium, as it would be the best choice for outer armor plating on the Traveler.
Neutronium is a superdense material thought to be at the center of neutron stars.
It has a density of 8×1017 kg/m^3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_star
Multiplying the weight per meter cubed of Neutronium by the volume of the Traveler’s mantle:
8×10^17kg/m^3 * 1.39^12m^3
= 1.112x10^30 kg
The Earth itself only weighs 6x10^24kg.[/spoiler]
To sum up, if the traveler’s outermost 1 kilometer of shell is made from neutronium, then it is [b]roughly 185,333 times more [i]massive* [/i]than the Earth. [/b]
*Thanks to Jarod for helping me realize I was being a bit to casual in my terminology, lol.
[u]Important questions that I have for you guys:[/u]
[b]Are my calculations sound?[/b]
Just looking at the scars on the Traveler and knowing there is and clockwork-style internal structure is how I got my guess of a 1km thickness for the outer plating. [b]Do you guys have any better guesses or ways of figuring out the thickness?[/b] Please do not refer me to the early concept art of the Traveler as the design has changed a great deal since then.
“Electroweak Material” confuses me, I know some chemistry, not much in the way of physics lol. [b]Anyone here know what it might be?[/b] I was thinking some sort of magical graphene or silicon.
EDIT: Had some good comments left by fellow forums goers, apparently I don't need to worry about accounting for this stuff.
If someone who has a big flatscreen TV could get me a measurement of the tallest tower and a measurement of the traveler in centimeters, I would be happy to go back over and refine the calculations, TBH I got them using a ruler on my small-ish PC monitor that I have plugged into my One.
And guys, no one unplug the antigravity…
Special thanks to Charlemagne and Qwerty for fact checking me while I was making rough drafts of this.
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You're good at brain smarts
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Still need some accurate measurements.
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Your calculations are legit and reasonable, the result is similar to the mass of a neutron star (100 neutronium). The problem is that if that was the case, life would not be possible on earth due to the gravitational pull. Earth itself would be destroyed or absorbed pretty quickly.
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So bad ass that you did this lol
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The maths. I can't handle the maths.
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Go outside
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Its nibiru.... we are all batteries inside a matrix
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Skimmed through quickly but curious did you account for the traveler being mostly hollow. What if lead wasnt ment to be literal and more so a descriptor to illustrate the weight or heaviness of the other material/s. The Grimoire also mentions the moon as a size reference, could the traveler be roughly moon sized in which case the scale would be odd since we do not actually know how far off the ground the traveler is hovering. Will edit later for clarity. Nice post.
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[quote]And guys, no one unplug the antigravity… [/quote] ..... Is that what this does....? -holds an unplugged cord staring at it curiously scratching my head- so uh.... Why not exactly...?
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I applaud your sheer brilliance of even posing a question like this... let alone answering it. Awesome job, man. Hope you do some more things like this!
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*cough* nerd *cough*
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So, at this weight, wouldn't the earth have fallen into the traveler by now? And if the traveler had some sort of propulsion device still online that was essentially making it outrun the Earth, wouldn't that make our planet go spiraling around like crazy as it chased the traveler?
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Just a question, but of the traveller weighs more than earth, shouldn't it have a higher gravity than earth?
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Maybe the traveler should lay off the ghosts.
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Thank you Sheldon lmao
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"Electroweak" is the unified fundamental force of electromagnetism and the weak nuclear force. The makers have a bad habit of throwing around science words that effectively mean nothing when linked together.
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Good math guy right here. Nice work.
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There are 3 forces that we know of that can be used to attract objects without "touching" them: electronic, magnetic, and gravitational. Electronic and magnetic forces can be adjusted so they REPEL things as well. It makes sense that gravity could be adjusted the same way. Perhaps the traveler does this to prevent diverting Earth's orbit. Maybe the traveler's ability to adjust gravity explains why gravity is the same on earth, the moon, mars, and Venus... Enjoyed your post! Been almost a year since I finished my chemistry degree so I don't get a chance to do these types of nerdy calculations anymore!
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Props, may or may not be right but I definitely give you props. Question ~ what do you think is the endgame with the Traveler ? Good bad? I think that the Black Garden is actually inside the Traveler. ( or was supposed to be originally.) maybe the Vex cultivate the Garden as to possess or control him, so that darkness overtakes and destroys what he creates. Or the vex try to control the spreading or him becoming overtaken. What say you?
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Then earth should be destroyed by the travelers weight, science bitch! [spoiler]science bitch isnt an insult, its from 21 jump street[/spoiler]
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I think my brain just imploded from all of that math-sciencie stuff all at once
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Never thought to do this but thats hella cool.
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Mind = Blown
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Someone had a lot of time on his hands. But props to you dude.
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But what if the traveler is essentially hollow and all that's flosting inside is a Rahool cloning machine O.o
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Are you sure that that Grimoire card wasn't just using those materials as a source of hyperbole? It sounds like it's just using lead and neutronium (known super-heavy materials) as an exaggerated comparison to the dread the Traveler "feels."