originally posted in:Secrets of Destiny
The Traveler weighs approximately [b]185,333 times more than the Earth.
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I have some questions for you guys at the bottom of the post that relate to my assumptions and calculations, I want input from other passionate lore fans:
[b]Data, assumptions, volume calculations:[/b]
[spoiler]Measuring conservatively by using a ruler on my monitor to compare the traveler and a skyscraper, I got results that said the Traveler is approximately 22 times taller than the tallest tower in the center of The City.
Assuming the towers are similar to current human skyscrapers, I am giving them a height of 1,000 meters.
The traveler is roughly 22,000 meters tall.
I assume the outermost two layers [url=https://guardianrecon.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/traveler-close-up.jpg](the gray and the white plating[/url]) to be in total 1km thick.
Using a radius of 11,000 meters, I calculated the volume of the entire Traveler
V = 5.58×10^12 Cubic Meters
Subtracting the volume of a sphere with a radius of 10km from the volume of the Traveler in order to find the volume of the mantle
5.58×10^12m^3 - 4.19×10^12m^3
= 1.39^12m^3
That’s 1,390,000,000,000m^3
One trillion 390 billion cubic meters. [/spoiler]
[b]The materials listed by the Grimoire:[/b]
[spoiler]“Ghost Fragment: The Traveler
Dreams of Alpha Lupi
You have lived as invisibly as possible, flicking from solar system to solar system, making grand plans, overseeing the culturing of civilizations, before leaving in a blink. But you have no recollection of ever wanting worship or even thanks from those blessed by you.
But memory is heavy now.
It feels like lead and neutronium and electroweak matter fashioned into a moon-sized ball that you must carry as you move.
Now, your flight is rapid, your vast mind infected with such dread and toxic doubt that you find yourself afraid of the simple act of thought.
And it is your children you must turn to now, in time of need.”[/spoiler]
[b]Final calculations:[/b]
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Three materials are listed, Lead, Neutronium, and Electroweak Material. I’m paying close attention to the mention of Neutronium, as it would be the best choice for outer armor plating on the Traveler.
Neutronium is a superdense material thought to be at the center of neutron stars.
It has a density of 8×1017 kg/m^3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_star
Multiplying the weight per meter cubed of Neutronium by the volume of the Traveler’s mantle:
8×10^17kg/m^3 * 1.39^12m^3
= 1.112x10^30 kg
The Earth itself only weighs 6x10^24kg.[/spoiler]
To sum up, if the traveler’s outermost 1 kilometer of shell is made from neutronium, then it is [b]roughly 185,333 times more [i]massive* [/i]than the Earth. [/b]
*Thanks to Jarod for helping me realize I was being a bit to casual in my terminology, lol.
[u]Important questions that I have for you guys:[/u]
[b]Are my calculations sound?[/b]
Just looking at the scars on the Traveler and knowing there is and clockwork-style internal structure is how I got my guess of a 1km thickness for the outer plating. [b]Do you guys have any better guesses or ways of figuring out the thickness?[/b] Please do not refer me to the early concept art of the Traveler as the design has changed a great deal since then.
“Electroweak Material” confuses me, I know some chemistry, not much in the way of physics lol. [b]Anyone here know what it might be?[/b] I was thinking some sort of magical graphene or silicon.
EDIT: Had some good comments left by fellow forums goers, apparently I don't need to worry about accounting for this stuff.
If someone who has a big flatscreen TV could get me a measurement of the tallest tower and a measurement of the traveler in centimeters, I would be happy to go back over and refine the calculations, TBH I got them using a ruler on my small-ish PC monitor that I have plugged into my One.
And guys, no one unplug the antigravity…
Special thanks to Charlemagne and Qwerty for fact checking me while I was making rough drafts of this.
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The contents of the traveler will only be revealed when a guardian correctly guessed the number of jellybeans it can hold.
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It probably all light
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Who Necro bumped it?
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Wrong The traveller is God's testicle The cabal and fallen want to suck on it.the hive wants it sperm and the vex are angry atheist feminists. Prove me wrong.
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Agh metric system!
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You've assumed a lot of things, from the materials in the grimoire being correct, which I doubt by the sound of the card, the mantle and core of the Traveller being the same percentage as Earth's to the scaling of it to a skyscraper despite the perspective being different.
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Edited by delta092: 8/28/2015 5:32:50 PMI think that if the traveler is heavier than the earth... The earth should orbit around the traveler...
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Only the true weight of the traveler will be revealed for 2 easy payments of $19.99
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Oh crap. I completely forgot about the traveler...
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So if the traveler just stopped floating?
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The only issue that i have with this is that the grimoire says: "but memory is heavy now..... It feels like..." Obviously the neutronium and electroweak matter is a metaphore for the weight of memory, not a description of the traveller's structure. Nice math though....
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The traveler is made out of whipped cream and crunchy chocolate bits indie coated with white chocolate.
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And ?
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Props, I didn't read it all but that looked like a lot of work. But if the Traveler's mass was 185,000 times greater than Earth's, it's gravity would also be 185,000 times greater. But this is science fiction so who knows, they've probably got some traveling space magic going on up in there.
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You'll have to adjust your calculations to account for the very center of the Traveler which is ball of marshmallow fluff approximately 1.3 miles in diameter. Good luck guardian!
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Bump for later
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Not to rain on your parade but if the traveler was that much more "heavier" than the earth (not saying its not) that ALSO means it's gravity is THAT X AMOUNT stronger, So the earth for one would actually start to orbit it and any one/thing within its gravitational field relative to distance would be effected (crushed to weighed down) by it.
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Still not as much as your mom
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Progo for president
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Wouldn't the presence of an object that large and that dense so close to earth's surface alter gravity on earth?
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2math4me
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U my friend can science and -blam!-ing math u can.
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Edited by Wernstrom: 8/28/2015 4:26:12 PMIf the Traveler was indeed that massive, we'd see a drastic change in local gravity fields. Such as... Tidal cycles Lunar orbit People walking on the surface of the traveler People not being able to walk around in the City without being pulled towards the traveler. Localized time distortion (gotta love relativity) There would be plenty of other effects. I think the premise of your calculations are sound; get the volume, assume hollow sphere, multiply by assumed density. But one or more assumptions must be off; density may be off, the wall thickness may be off, or the assumed radius may be off. Electroweak material is Bungie trying to combine two of the fundamental forces, electromagnetic and weak nuclear forces.
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I'm sure the matter left after a supernova is a fcuking black hole