All because of the templar fix.
Unless you have an experienced raid team and good weapons the hard mode raid is an excruciatingly painful experience.
Templar is easily the hardest part of the raid. Without the cheese my raid team and I get stuck at templar for hours sometimes. We never cheesed atheon or NM Templar. We only cheesed HM templar to get to the rest of the raid without wanting to throw our ps4s out the window.
The hard raid is no longer worth it imo.
Hopefully bungie get things right with crotas end.
Edit: What I'm trying to say is that HM templar is harder than it should be and sometimes causes so much frustration that I would rather not do the raid at all. I have beat HM templar many times legit. Just sharing my opinion about the fight.
Edit: Didn't think this would cause such a stir.
Reading through the responses has made me realize how toxic this community is.
Apperently opinions aren't welcome here.
Though I did see some light in the darkness.
IE. people respecting my opinion even if they disagreed
Edit: I want to make it clear that I don't like to cheese or ever relied on the cheese. My raid Team and I are very experienced in the VoG and have beat HM templar many times. I just feel templar needs a little tweeking.
If you think I'm just a scrub and I should "get gud" then that's your opinion and I will respect it.
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I agree totally, its not that its too hard but its too hard/long for what it should be. Whats the reward for beating him? A boss that takes twice as long as Atheon (Atheon takes 2 teleports possibly 3), A low chance of an exotic but most possibly, high probability of a shard or energy. People are comment stroking their own pen is about my team this my team that. Its very reliant on either all 30s or people with Ice breaker or Gjall, why not any other exotic sniper or rocket Launcher? My experience from getting groups from LFG went from about 40-1 hr 30 doing the hard raid, having laugh but enjoying it to getting upto the templar and getting so frustrated that people leave and the whole raid takes far longer. Im glad the cheese is fixed but i think the templar is over powered. Do not reply to this with "get a better team" or "play better", i go on random groups and im talking about the average.