All because of the templar fix.
Unless you have an experienced raid team and good weapons the hard mode raid is an excruciatingly painful experience.
Templar is easily the hardest part of the raid. Without the cheese my raid team and I get stuck at templar for hours sometimes. We never cheesed atheon or NM Templar. We only cheesed HM templar to get to the rest of the raid without wanting to throw our ps4s out the window.
The hard raid is no longer worth it imo.
Hopefully bungie get things right with crotas end.
Edit: What I'm trying to say is that HM templar is harder than it should be and sometimes causes so much frustration that I would rather not do the raid at all. I have beat HM templar many times legit. Just sharing my opinion about the fight.
Edit: Didn't think this would cause such a stir.
Reading through the responses has made me realize how toxic this community is.
Apperently opinions aren't welcome here.
Though I did see some light in the darkness.
IE. people respecting my opinion even if they disagreed
Edit: I want to make it clear that I don't like to cheese or ever relied on the cheese. My raid Team and I are very experienced in the VoG and have beat HM templar many times. I just feel templar needs a little tweeking.
If you think I'm just a scrub and I should "get gud" then that's your opinion and I will respect it.
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Edited by Meilf: 12/3/2014 5:06:57 PMI'm glad they fixed it. I was tired of Chees---well lets just call it was it is--Cheating through the raid just because my team couldn't handle it. If you take away the possiblity of cheating, then those items, those victories, feel more real. Also, players who do the raid are expecting to have to play the templar part for real, and that only adds to the betterment of players game-wide. A++ 10/10 there never should have been a way to cheat in the first place. EDIT: Hopefully Bungie does enough testing through Crota's End to eliminate the possibility of cheating through that raid. If they do it right, those items will make you a Man amongst Mice.