All because of the templar fix.
Unless you have an experienced raid team and good weapons the hard mode raid is an excruciatingly painful experience.
Templar is easily the hardest part of the raid. Without the cheese my raid team and I get stuck at templar for hours sometimes. We never cheesed atheon or NM Templar. We only cheesed HM templar to get to the rest of the raid without wanting to throw our ps4s out the window.
The hard raid is no longer worth it imo.
Hopefully bungie get things right with crotas end.
Edit: What I'm trying to say is that HM templar is harder than it should be and sometimes causes so much frustration that I would rather not do the raid at all. I have beat HM templar many times legit. Just sharing my opinion about the fight.
Edit: Didn't think this would cause such a stir.
Reading through the responses has made me realize how toxic this community is.
Apperently opinions aren't welcome here.
Though I did see some light in the darkness.
IE. people respecting my opinion even if they disagreed
Edit: I want to make it clear that I don't like to cheese or ever relied on the cheese. My raid Team and I are very experienced in the VoG and have beat HM templar many times. I just feel templar needs a little tweeking.
If you think I'm just a scrub and I should "get gud" then that's your opinion and I will respect it.
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Edited by Uncle Daddy: 12/3/2014 3:19:47 PMThe minute I read your post I said to myself "oh man he's gonna catch crap for this" that's the sad things I'm not sure where this 'elite' or 'get gud' attitude come from but I have a feeling its a generational and social phenomenon. I run around and smeer people in PvP, I'm always the one carrying someone through the vog, and I'm ok with that. You can be humble while you do it, cause the fact is once you step away from the controller none of how bad as a you were i n the game follows you in to real life. What the community doesn't get is that all players, of all skills are what make the game interesting and fun to play, the fact that there is so much hate is embarrassing to both the community and the players, the sadder part is we promote people like this. Like you I agree the Templar is a pain in the ass on hard, he's by far the hardest part of the raid everything else is easy in comparison. You can still technically 'cheese' him if you know what your doing but if your doing with all six players on the lower plat forms it can be very hard.