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Edited by Tjrails:
12/4/2014 12:09:57 AM
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HM VoG isnt fun anymore
All because of the templar fix.
Unless you have an experienced raid team and good weapons the hard mode raid is an excruciatingly painful experience.
Templar is easily the hardest part of the raid. Without the cheese my raid team and I get stuck at templar for hours sometimes. We never cheesed atheon or NM Templar. We only cheesed HM templar to get to the rest of the raid without wanting to throw our ps4s out the window.
The hard raid is no longer worth it imo.
Hopefully bungie get things right with crotas end.
Edit: What I'm trying to say is that HM templar is harder than it should be and sometimes causes so much frustration that I would rather not do the raid at all. I have beat HM templar many times legit. Just sharing my opinion about the fight.
Edit: Didn't think this would cause such a stir.
Reading through the responses has made me realize how toxic this community is.
Apperently opinions aren't welcome here.
Though I did see some light in the darkness.
IE. people respecting my opinion even if they disagreed
Edit: I want to make it clear that I don't like to cheese or ever relied on the cheese. My raid Team and I are very experienced in the VoG and have beat HM templar many times. I just feel templar needs a little tweeking.
If you think I'm just a scrub and I should "get gud" then that's your opinion and I will respect it.
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I don't care about the Templar thing. Actually this is something they wasted time on rather than making the game BETTER. But come next week, this will be old history. The raid is and no longer has been fun because it is not at all rewarding to do. Simple as that. Nightfall has been WAY better to me than the raid ever has, but I can't get the last piece or 2 of armor from Nightfall.... This system is truly demeaning, especially when you see people that do not produce get all the 30 stuff, easily.
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Took us about an hour of dying, but then we got into the templar killing groove and got the kill. Just needed time for us to sync. I can see it taking longer for teams of random.
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Me and my team beat it yesterday We were figuring out strategies and after a a while we found out one guy on the bottom and 5 on top was the beat strategy we had to watch out for oracles though because if we missed one relic guy couldn't cleanse us Also you gotta hit the templar hard when he drops shields because if he becomes enraged your relic guy is -blam!-ed Hope this helps
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1 ReplyHard Mode is the least of my worries. We had somewhere near 10 glitches, most at Atheon, in one normal run last night
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Should've learn to do it the legit way fast. The pain is only felt by people like you who rely on cheese methods. Tough luck.
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You should be thankful you've been getting gear that you had no business getting to begin with. It's not that opinions aren't welcome here, but that particular one shouldn't be. It was a cheat that should never have been around for nearly as long as it was. Don't get me wrong, I pushed Atheon off too. But I knew full well that it would get taken away eventually and had no intentions of crying about it when they did. Did you actually thought that the devs intended the raid to be done this way? C'mon man, use you head.
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ITT: Endgame content is hard without cheating and I don't like it that way.
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It's not that hard. Two people down below and four up top. No problem.
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Hard mode Templar is fine how it is. With a team of 29's and 30's it should be easily done in half an hour at most. There's multiple strategies, look some up.
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4 RepliesWe took a 27 through this last night. Easy peasy. 4 stay up. 2 go down. Warlock does relic, titan assist and drops armor bubble. Only break shield after both oracles down. Guys with relic get L3 and R3 oracles. Guys up top get rest. Look me up and ill run relic for your group and give you positioning help
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4 RepliesHow you can classify hiding for cool down and spamming solar/pulse grenades to move a boss as 'fun' is beyond me. It's already too late for the VOG because most of the poor players have cheese farmed all the best items by now, but bring on crotas end. Unlike the vex, the Necrocasm will truly be a barometer reflecting the players ability and skill set. The vex should have remained an oversized paperweight because too many players didn't earn it. Not to mention Atheon is a joke.
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Okay since I clearly am not the only one to tell everyone this here's what you do. Wipe, have everyone stay up top as if they were shooting oracles (they will be shooting oracles so they don't get marked) and have one person go down to grab the relic, have the guy chill underneath where everyone use to chill to cheese the Templar. Once charged and all oracles killed hit him and let your team know. Yes he is going to teleport but you can just chill under the thing again and run and blast him and go back underneath and keep repeating. If he gets enraged well then have 2-3 people up top focus on the oracles and the rest shoot the minotaurs. It sounds complicated but I've shown people how to do it multiple times. I just don't wanna post a video. It's not a cheese its a strategy that works so long as the relic holder isn't a total dunce. [spoiler] It has worked everytime I have gone through so long as the team is good and everyone knows what they are doing you should be fine. [/spoiler]
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done raid post patch still completed around 1 hour
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2 RepliesHard mode Templar is easily the final boss in VoG. Atheon is an easy fight. I think it's a little counter productive to make the mini main boss harder than the last one. It deters a lot of raid teams from getting to atheon. While I'm glad thy finally patched the cheese, I just wish it never existed to begin with. It would have made all the atheon rewards more rare
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Edited by Schneider: 12/3/2014 12:32:20 PMU stay up top on starting platform like to do oracles on hard Them have the shield guy hide in spirit bloom room you shoot oracles from the top since you can see them all them the relic comes out u blast the Templar from your spot the relic hides again and repeat. simple
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to be fair the VOG was never fun , just a annoying tool to get better gear , the annoyance starts when having to spam the forum for hours just to play the raid , then you get into VAULT OF GLITCH , with each patch that didnt fixed the glitches but removed the workarounds we found to not have to bother with em it got even worse , this week i just took some atheon checkpoints because ive learned my lesson already the day the removed the sniper tower at templar
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I actually think the Templar fix made VoG 1000x more fun. Well, maybe the forums 1000x more fun. Templar is quite possibly the easiest part of the entire raid. The reason he's hard is all a lot of people have ever done is cheese him. I actually heard a guy in a game say " how come his shield doesn't spin? How are we supposed to shoot it?! " I laughed so hard I think it's the most fun I've had in VOG.
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You just need to work on teamwork and call outs. Me and my raid team just completed 2 full hard raids In a little under 3 hours. We tried a couple different strategies and figured out what worked bested and perfected it. That's all you gotta do. You don't need to cheese. It's not as hard as your making it. Just got to get coordinated. So much fun doing it legit rather then cheesing. I'm so excited for CROTAS END!! WOH!! :)
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Hence the name hard raid.
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The only hard part about it is blocking teleports. If you say screw the shards you can kill him quite easily.
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The Templar shouldn't be harder than atheon and it is
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The Templar Is pretty hard if you don't have an experienced team.
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Opinions are welcome, as are opposing ones with substance. One think to keep in mind: skilled players came up with most of these exploits. Vault of glass is the hardest test, its not meant for middle of the pack players to beat. If so it would be pointless. Everyone is not a winner, no pizza parties for the losing team. Losing is your fault.
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Edited by Sn!pE: 12/3/2014 12:10:34 PMBungie actually wanted the templar to be be the toughest part of the raid. Mission achieved. I'm happy they fixed it as it's now the challenge it's ment to be, but now you really can't carry anyone on hard mode. Totally understand your opinion and some respects agree with you.
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The raid is meant to be tough, if you arent good enough to beat it then you dont deserve the gear.
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Confluxes and Templar are a pain in the ass now. I never get rewarded for it because of this shitty loot system (literally got all shards my last week when I just need fatebringer). Probably never doing VoG hard and enjoying it again.
