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Edited by Tjrails:
12/4/2014 12:09:57 AM
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HM VoG isnt fun anymore
All because of the templar fix.
Unless you have an experienced raid team and good weapons the hard mode raid is an excruciatingly painful experience.
Templar is easily the hardest part of the raid. Without the cheese my raid team and I get stuck at templar for hours sometimes. We never cheesed atheon or NM Templar. We only cheesed HM templar to get to the rest of the raid without wanting to throw our ps4s out the window.
The hard raid is no longer worth it imo.
Hopefully bungie get things right with crotas end.
Edit: What I'm trying to say is that HM templar is harder than it should be and sometimes causes so much frustration that I would rather not do the raid at all. I have beat HM templar many times legit. Just sharing my opinion about the fight.
Edit: Didn't think this would cause such a stir.
Reading through the responses has made me realize how toxic this community is.
Apperently opinions aren't welcome here.
Though I did see some light in the darkness.
IE. people respecting my opinion even if they disagreed
Edit: I want to make it clear that I don't like to cheese or ever relied on the cheese. My raid Team and I are very experienced in the VoG and have beat HM templar many times. I just feel templar needs a little tweeking.
If you think I'm just a scrub and I should "get gud" then that's your opinion and I will respect it.
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Edited by TheBeardedHam: 12/3/2014 6:33:36 AMThe Templar is easily the HARDEST fight in the game. Normal mode in no way prepares you for hard mode. Spent 4 hours tonight failing to beat the Templar. Some things need tweaking in the fight such as the radius of his splash or the rate of fire... My team is very experience and beat him many times before we started cheesing just to save time. Tonight we just couldn't do it. I wouldn't harp on him being harder than the other bosses though. Everybody knows bungie's answer. They'll just leave the Templar the way he is and make the rest harder... We were a full group of 30s... Just kept getting overwhelmed
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VoG gains another victory
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1 ReplyI agree, I did three Raids today. 2 Hard 1 Normal. The 2 Hard Raid Templar encounters were just not fun. The Normal Templar encounter was a lot of fun. There's such a huge gap between the lvl's of the two fight that it really is painful. Any easy fix is to just remove the containment shields.
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Cheesing is not fun, boring. It's more fun working on killing the templar like it should be. Makes the awards feel worth it and not cheap to get.
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LOL!! When the going gets tough, most gets softer.
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1 Replyvog is never fun for me, 9 times out of 10 i get ascendant material.
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A good strategy my team adapted tonight involved a few titans but we all group up by the door and just went left or right where he teleported and stayed in back 3 shooting lanes for the shield and tons of cover to spread out we would kill what oracle we could and just cleanse when we got marked. Tried other strategies like having people stay up on the spawn to snipe but an oracle would always get missed in this instance we had 1 or 2 on bottom one with the shield and another stay to the right to get the hard to see oracles. We used the cave as cover as well as the shield guy hid in the middle. The one run we did get he enraged and couldnt finish him off. But a better team with better communication than my friends and i might be able to do it this way. If you try the strategies above i hope they work! And may rngesus bless you
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Keep 5 man on top. Like the sniper spot with oracles. 1 brave guardian goes down and take the relic. Stay left in the back where the oracle spawns around the corner. Communicatie with your team. As the relic holder kill many suplicants but don't get cocky, they are lethal. It's best if those 5 snipers on top got the Ice breaker. Never ending ammo is a blessing
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If the whole party dances in front of him, he moves backwards. Templar does not like you invading his personal space.
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It's not bad. Have the team stay at the top and one person who can handle it grab the relic and smash shit while your team takes out oracles. Then have the shield carrier take out the shield and everyone shoot him. Rinse and repeat
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just jump around split up and try ride a Harpie or two. best way for Templar
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1 Reply"because of the templar fix" "hard raid no longer worth it." All i read was because you have to do it normally now it's not fun? And I think patching exploits is Bungie "getting things right." Hopefully there are no exploitable things in crotas end.
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1 Replyit's still easy, obviously you still need the right team, but all you have to do is have the whole team up top and the person who is good with the shield down below taking out the back two oracles when they spawn, he takes down the shield and everyone DPS's the templar... we had him in 6 teleports maybe 7
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Use the right side of the room. There are 3 safe spots. The stairs, behind the rock and behind the pillar. Depending on where he is you chose the spot he can't hit you at. Have the relic cleanse if marked and a Titan or two for weps of light for every burn or when things get sticky. Took us about 2 hours but once we discovered this strat it was much easier.
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I did twice on hardmode last night without ever doing it legit before can be frustrating but very doable
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It's how it's supposed to be now. It's called "hard" for a reason. Not supposed to be easy and not supposed to be able to push bosses off the map.
