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10/26/2014 10:36:33 AM
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Can anyone tell me why thorn needs a buff? It's a 3 shot hand cannon already.
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Correction. Its a 2 shot hand cannon. I love that thing in PvP and I agree it should not get a buff. Its my best primary weapon. If It gets buffed then it will be OP. People will scream for a nerf and then bungie will over nerf it and it will be shit.
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As long as PVE nerfs are different from PVP nerfs I'm fine.
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Woah where did you get a raid pulse rifle? I've never seen one of those before
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Just got it recently from raid on Hard. Was pumped. Now I have a primary with every burn.
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Maybe cause i have a Red Hand 9 that deals more dmg, has a faster reload, beater perks, more bullets and more stability and is only a mediocre handgun. On the other side u have the Hawkmoon and the Fatebringer which are beastly weapons unlike the thorn.
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The IB hand cannon is great as well. I have the fatebringer, sooo much better! The last word is great as well.
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'Cos every other high tier handcannon has double the bullets in a chamber. It's like having Suros with a 15 round magazine.
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its decent in PvE, but in PvP, a 3 shot kill hand cannon isnt all that great. the Painted Big Chief and the Regulator, both of which are rare (blue) guns can 2 shot head shot people. sure, the Thorn has the Mark of the Devourer, but even so, that does damage over time. the Chief and Regulator kill them right there.
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It's good enough for me. I would still say to give it a new ammo cap or reload speed.
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Edited by Prophet 12: 10/26/2014 7:22:20 PM3 shots. Out of a 6 rounds clip. That's 50% of your magazine for a single kill, assuming every shot connects, and that's not even accounting for the machine-gun length reload speed. Compare that to [i]the devil you know[/i], which is also a 3 shot kill, but has a 12 round magazine (meaning only 25% of your clip for one kill). And to top it all off, TDYK has superior range, impact, accuracy, and reload statistics. Thorn is a usable weapon. That doesn't mean it's not mediocre when compared to other weapons in its class.
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They should leave it alone in PvP and buff it in PvE. At the least, add a few more thorns in the chamber or make the reload speed faster.
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I agree. It's redundant in PvE when you get another decent handcannon
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Yeah I'm not seeing the need for much of a buff either. I only just recently got the thing but it's pretty nasty in the Crucible. I think part of the problem is people may not realize it's a long-range weapon - you do NOT use Thorn at Close or mid range unless you absolutely have to because it *will* lose firefights. Stay back, aim for the head and let the lingering damage do its dirty work. I freaking love popping someone in the head from a distance and watching them run for cover only to die anyway to the DoT, meanwhile I'm free to focus on someone else or hide or whatever. The only buff I'd like to see done to it is perhaps an increase to the reload speed as it takes ages to reload the freaking thing. The magazine size is fine (especially with the Last Round perk) and the rate of fire & recoil are manageble. Doesn't need an Impact boost either otherwise it'll be too strong in conjunction with the DoT.
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I think the need for a buff is more PVE oriented. A 6 round mag and it takes longer to reload than a potroast takes to cook. That is a bad situation when a bunch of thralls or supplicants are headed right for you.
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True, it's a weak gun for PvE but it's currently treading a thin line in Crucible. This is why I'd honestly rather have either separate gear with unique PvP stats, or for Bungie to code in different damage models for each mode - as in a gun will do X amount of damage in PvE and Y amount in PvP. That's more work for bungie but it's the best way to keep from having to nerf crap time and again.
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Yeah, I agree. Two sets of stats, one for PVE and one for PVP would be nice.
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It's terrible for pve
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all hand cannons have 8-13 bulltets...or 6 and nice reload speed...this thorn have 6 bullets and so slow reload so....
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Lowest is 3 and highest is 13 I think.
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what hand cannon have 3?
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Some crappy green. Searcher MK 37 I think.
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i see all minimun 6 bullets ; /
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Have you even used it?
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Why don't you check out my hunter and see what I'm wielding.
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I guess I should have done that. So my next question is, if you use it, how do you not think that it needs to be fixed? An Exotic should not be outperformed by a Legendary. I think the damage is good where its at, but it needs something else besides the DoT. Faster reload and 8 rounds would be good IMO.
