Sunsingers can have 2 grenades without having to wear a certain price of armour. I'm a level 30 warlock and it's my favourite class, I'm pretty good at killing a whole room of baddies and not going down. Troll post maybe?

Lol you're kinda Dum the warlock sunsinger can have two grenades default and my lvl 27 warlock had more defens that my friend who's lvl 28 titanfall with a fully upgraded exotic helm and legendary every thing els

1) warlocks are the only class that have a perj that gives them 2 grenades (without an exotic) 2) raid armor will give you just as much of an ammo boost as the titan chest. 3) the voidfang vestments let you spawn with grenade energy, so you can spam your grenades every time you die.

your stupid af kid warlocks like all other classes are good pending on play style also play sun singer I use 2 grenades on that class btw if you werentm trolling oh god you need help

Speak for yourself bro, my Warlock kicks ass. Learn to use his skills. In my 'umble opinion after level 24+ increased armour rating don't mean jack-shit. Skill decides your fate :-)

1. Warlocks are weaker in the early game, because they have the worst armor rating...but they can become very powerful later on. You can compensate for that poor armor rating by going with a build that emphasizes "armor" and "recovery" at the expense of "agility". 2. You don't need armor that gives you a second grenade, because you HAVE a second grenade (if you want) if you're a fully-levelled Sunsinger. Even as a Voidwalker, you have Energy Drain which can dramatically lower your grenade cooldown. 3. Actually the Exotic armor for Warlock is some of the best in the game. a. Sunbreakers: Faster reload on special weapons, Melee reduces grenade cooldown (remember Sunsingers often have TWO grenades), Increased duration of Solar Grenade. b. Voidfang Vestments: Increased Hand Cannon ammo. Increased Special weapon ammo. Axion bolt grenade generates another seeker (and likely and additional kill) c. Heart of the Praxic Fire: Increased Fusion Rifle Ammo. Increased Heavy weapon ammo. [i]Decreased cooldown of ALL abilities while Radiance active[/i] d. Skull of Dire Ahamkara: Increased grenade thrown distance. Grenade kills replenish Super energy. Reduced damage when using Nova Bomb. Increased Energy drain. I have all four of these exotics...and the last two especially are VERY powerful. 4. Your problem isn't "gear imbalance". Your problem is that you're trying to equip yourself from drops. Which is the WORST way to equip yourself for the end game (level 20+) Because only about one monster in 1500 drops a legendary engram. In fact, the odds are SO LOW that I've had more RARE engrams turn into legendary gear than I've had purple engrams drop that give lengendary gear. So you're trying to fill up a bucket with a fist-sized hole in the bottom. What you need to be doing---if you want legendary gear with minimum of frustration---is: a. DO YOUR BOUNTIES EVERYTIME YOU PLAY. Once you get your Vanguard/Crucible/Faction rank to level 2 you can BUY legendary armor. Once you get to level 3 you can buy legendary weapons. (Vangaurd rank 7) For each level past three your faction will GIVE YOU rare-and-better engrams for each level increase. I've gotten a legendary helmet and autorifle that way. b. Do strikes/public events/Crucible to earn marks. You can earn up to 100 Vanguard and 100 crucible marks per week, per character. You can use these to buy lengendary weapons and armor from the vendors. Have bought several legendaries this way...and a few others to dismantle for upgrade materials for the gear I'm using. c. Farm engrams...but ONLY for fodder for levelling up your Cryptarch. After level 6, the Cryptarch will GIVE YOU rare-or-better engrams for each level increase. (Mine is level 27). I've gotten several legendary weapons this way, and a few armor pieces. Though you can get armor that is for a differnt class. Either bank them for other characters or dismantle them for shards. d. Buy from Xur. I've bought Sunbreakers, Light Beyond Nemeis, and Apotheosis Veil for Strange coins. e. Buy the random exotic engram. Unless you are just IN LOVE with the warlock bonds that the Speaker sells, there's nothing else to spend them on in the game, and you are guarenteed to get something exotic...just not necessarily for your class. I Got Voidfang Vestments, Heart of the Praxic Fire, Skull of Dire Ahamkara, and Achyllophage Symbiote (Hunter, sharded) for Motes of Light from Xur.. f. Once your height enough level, start doing the weekly strikes. Complete these strikes and you'll get strange coin and upgrade materials for legendary gear. At the highest levels of difficulty you'll get legendary and exotic gear outright. Got a legendary shotgun for this week's Nightfall. But stop trying to win the lottery with monster drops. It's the least efficient and least effective way to equip yourself. I have HUNDREDS of hours into this game, and I've only gotten ONE (a Scout Rifle) weapon from a purple engram drop...and NO armor from drops. In fact I ahve MORE legendary items that popped from BLUE engrams...and just as many exotics (Icebreaker) that popped from a purple engram.

Have you even played Warlock, OP? I'm using the companion app so I can't see what characters you currently have created. Anyway, my Warlock survives way longer than my other two classes, especially when using the Sunsinger subclass. And, in terms of survivability and the ability to stay alive when in the red, I've found Warlock is the best. Having played all 3 classes- * the ordering of survivability is as follows: Warlock, Hunter, Titan They seriously need to buff Titan (in PvE) so that he doesn't have to cower behind corners to stay alive. EDIT: The thread title got changed. I do agree Warlocks don't have gear that's all that great. The Dire Akhama Whatever helmet helps if you're Voidwalker, but the rest are subclass neutral.

This thread is really just... dumb. QQ the lock armor is inferior, must create rant thread.

You give one example of armor? The grenade chest is amazing. You're right. Extra golden gun shot comes in handy. Spamming grenades at DOUBLE the usual speed during super? That's amazing. Really, super amazing. INSTANT health regen? Extended drain? Warlocks get a lot more than a grenade. In fact, they get more grenades than any other class. It's not just about armor. It's about how well armor and your skills can synergize. If all the chest piece did was give you a grenade, it would be shit. But two titan stun grenades? Yeah, that's awesome. Warlocks are fine, and are in fact my preferred class. And hands down have the best LOOKING armor too lol

Lol. Warlocks are the most OP of all.

So I have a 20+ of every class and I have to say I can do just as well in the crucible with any class. They are each different and to me it's kinda like paper, rock, scissors. With my hunter I get owned by warlocks amazing super and those homing grenades are great. Also, when they time that rebirth correctly it's a showstopper. If you don't like warlock just try out another class.

Warlocks are arguably the best class in the game... This post is ridiculous... They have the best bonuses and perks for their classes... 2 grenades, revive, nova bomb, shield when you hit enemies...

we can also come back from the dead and have 2 grenades raid gear gives more rockets and special my only grip is the icebreaker only gets 6 rounds even with armor up grades making the carry more special ammo perk useless

I'm happy that the armor is worse, how many games have the character that can heal itself using armor just as powerful as the tanker?

My Warlock is a little overpowered my friends would say. So I'm not entirely sure what you've done wrong? Do you have a Warlock character?

Perhaps warlocks deserve balanced gear, but Bungie might decide to nerf our supers.

You my friend are ignorant yeah in early game they are weak later on and if you use sunsinger your more op than any character

Im not weak... The inly time Im weak is with ATHEON. I die evrytiem

Random drops are bs one of the main downfalls of this game. People don't have an equal gaming experience, some is better than other simply by chance

Dude, stop repeating yourself over and over in your replies. Everyone understands by now that "your thread is not about the class balance but about armor". The thing you seem to be missing about everyones posts are that the class in general has these perks built into it. The gear available to each class is a way to further balance possible unbalance between the class builds available. I have a warlock and I swear by it. You may be a little right that the gear doesn't sound or seem as good as the other class gear but that is because the warlock has a lot of really good perks built into it. Therefore the gear may be toned down a bit to balance the overall experience. You can't simply only consider gear in this discussion because the classes abilities as well as the gear available are all part of the equation. You can't separate one from the other in this discussion. If the developers did that then the classes would be ridiculously imbalanced. Armor and class abilities are two sides to the same coin.

Warlocks and titans are extremely good in PVE, better than the hunter anyway. The hunters super attacks seem more like they are meant to just dominate in PVP while the warlock has radiance which allows you to self revive(good for vault of glass and nightfall strikes) and the Titan has ward of dawn and if you use the weapons of light perk it allows not only you but your whole fire team to cause more damage to bosses such as Atheon in the raid. It all depends on your play style and whether or not you like to play PVP or PVE. All characters are good for certain situations, but I can still understand your argument.

I get it. This dude is basically building an argument for nerf warlocks. He hooks us with a post saying warlocks suck. Then we correct him. Stop feeding the troll.

Your face is the weakest class.

Would take op seriously if he didn't copy paste the same sentence for every person that replies in thread

ok ok ok learn about it first before complaining :) warlock was my first char and i think its awsomee. so try out these . Void walker build: PVE http://www.destinydb.com/calculator/talents#1.McvcFDn8c708r708k708t708x708EA708M708V7 u need a auto rifle that has Kill reduce nades cd. ur stat can be int+discp or balance. good for bounty and public event For Sunsinger: have u tried double fusion grenades? i didnt before since he gloves boosted solar nades. wack that on minotaurs and its shields come off like "that".