Bro all this could have been avoided if you just shut your mouth and not made a smart a$$ comment such as "If you played iron banner in the beta, you would already know that it this mode was almost identical to normal crucial. This was not a surprise to me at all." Who's to say he didn't play Iron Banner in the Beta and who's to say he saw a difference or not between the two game types. Considering the fact that you and just about everyone else was a level 8 is the main issue, you cant's say you saw how uneven it was then because the level difference DID NOT exist at that time. Basically you are saying in your original statement that you already knew that a level 4 was going to stand a chance against a level 30 in the Iron Banner just because you played in the beta that stopped progress at level 8 (let me see levels 1-8 beta vs 1-30 now "hell of a difference"). P.S. - It's ok you can tell the truth "You and I know you didn't say anything after the beta about how broken the Iron Banner was" except your friends maybe.

Wow someone is really mad I made a comment and opinion based in facts I have experienced. Again you don't get why I am not surprised from playing the beta. I know how games work. I have played many competitive games and know about balance and what developers go through to make it an even playing field. Regardless of level 8 or 29/30 attacking a lower level in destiny does not mean an instant win. I am sorry if you can't comprehend simple statements based off logic- the delivered as an opinion. And P.S. I have shared my thoughts on all the pvp modes in the forums at the end of July 2104. But it's ok. You and I both know this is no longer about destiny.

It's not supposed to be an even playing field, that's the point in having better armor and better weapons. How can you not comprehend from Bungies own quote they "presented 1 thing and put out another 1" ("The way we pitched Iron Banner did make it sound like... In reality, we delivered") from their own mouths. So you know what developers go through to make the games even hu, how do you know? Again Iron Banner IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE EVEN if you are 26 lvl's higher, thus all the complaining in the forums. If we were all to expect Iron Banner to be this bad from playing the beta as you say, then why is everyone flooding the forums with complaints. Maybe it's because they thought it would get fixed...possibly, maybe because they didn't play the beta...yea could be, or maybe BECAUSE THERE WAS NOT A 26 LVL DIFFERENCE TO IN THE BETA TO TEST THE ISSUE. I still say you can't calculate/know the outcome/severity of this issue only using the beta because you are missing variables needed to complete it. It has always been about destiny brother, how you take the comment is all up to you. Maybe you shouldn't have come out in the first place talking as though everyone should have known Iron Banner was going to be this way. It's like saying you should have known the story and all the characters already because you played the beta "not possible". I got one for you can you tell me now what is going to happen over the next 10 years in the game "all the story, all the characters, all the events"....according to your first comment we should all know considering we played the game already. You could have worded it different maybe saying "When I played Iron Banner in the beta I noticed it was not much different than regular crucible" or something like that.

I worded what I said on purpose as I am dissatisfied with how the game came out. Lots of let downs for me. So what I said stands and your last bit there looks like you came to the same conclusion if I would have just used different letters on a screen. There a many other things I could say to defend what I already have said but what's the point. Sorry you felt I was being pretentious. And to add Bungie has said a lot of things that didn't quite come to fruition, so my comment was hurtful but could be viewed as justifiable.

Oh I also know a few developers, some have even worked on halo games, ya know? Wife is from Seattle.