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Edited by James5955:
10/9/2014 5:52:45 AM
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I feel like the majority of complaints I'm reading stems from the fact that their gear in IB doesn't guarantee them a win before a fight even starts because that's how Bungie advertised it. Personally, I think that's stupid. Skill should be a factor in ANY PVP, regardless of there being "advantages enabled" or not. Boo hoo, you can't kill other low lvl players in one hit while tanking an infinite amount of bullets from them receiving "immune", how terrible to let another player damage you. I just think it's pretty stupid to complain about other players being able to compete against you lol.
Went into IB for the first time yesterday as a level 28 and felt like there was a decent advantage I had. I don't usually play crucible so it may be hard to tell, but enemies seemed to die faster and damage scales seemed different. Pretty sure I saw someone survive a shoulder charge from a titan, meaning that your armor does too matter in IB. Anyways... First game in and went 37 kills 7.4 KDR, so I'm sitting here thinking of how bad you must be to complain and moan about not having enough of an advantage over your competition. Just stick to PvE if you want easy steamrolling IMO, not like any people under level 28 would join IB if they had as much of a disadvantage as they would in PvE due to level difference.
All that aside, his lowbie white gun shouldn't be doing the same damage as another players fully upgraded legendary gun... Agreed there.
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You have missed the point entirely. Go play your pve game with a lvl 4 and try to take down a lvl 29 mob. Maybe then you will understand.
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[quote]You have missed the point entirely. Go play your pve game with a lvl 4 and try to take down a lvl 29 mob. Maybe then you will understand.[/quote] So what you're telling me is, your reading comprehension sucks because I mentioned that in my original post.
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Ha, so it is. Pretty vague but you did say it. Touche' Yet, with that understanding you still wrote the post... Tell me again who's comprehension sucks?
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[quote]Ha, so it is. Pretty vague but you did say it. Touche' Yet, with that understanding you still wrote the post... Tell me again who's comprehension sucks?[/quote] My comprehension is fine. Just because I dont side with your opinion that enemies 4 levels below you shouldn't do any damage doesnt mean my comprehension is bad, I just have a different preference on how pvp should be. Being a competitive player its hard for me to agree with people who want free kills without having to earn it, might as well play a simulator where enemies cant move or shoot back instead since they wouldnt do any damage anyway. They could just use a higher scale for the numbers and work out the ratios so that you do get a big disadvantage, but still let level 6 players shame high lvl grinders because they are bad.
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We earned the gear, we have a right to squish the competition effortlessly.
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Edited by Crustaceo Mutoid: 10/9/2014 7:20:48 PM[quote]Just because I dont side with your opinion that enemies 4 levels below you shouldn't do any damage doesnt mean my comprehension is bad[/quote] What? I never said this. My reference was to a 25 lvl gap. I don't even know what to say here. Look I disagree with you. A lvl 4 player with a lvl 1 weapon shouldn't be able to scratch a lvl 29. They shouldn't even be in the same arena. That is why matchmaking is so important and yet virtually non-existent in this game. It's that simple.
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Not anyone's complaint. No one is complaining about anything you said. The issue is the iron banner just being regular crucible.
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"I don't usually play pvp" and then that? Found my issue
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Edited by James5955: 10/9/2014 4:50:14 PM[quote]"I don't usually play pvp" and then that? Found my issue[/quote] There really isnt much to the pvp in this game though. Must I spend more than 12 hours to learn everything in pvp in this game? I'm not slow. PvP isnt rocket science and in this game its much less about actual skill and tactics and more about abusing OHKs. No need to have half my play time invested into it to be able to provide input, especially after years of online FPSing.
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You are the problem with gaming communities these days. You admited you barely even play crucible, let alone care about it. No one is asking to be able to 1 hit low lvl enemies, or have an insane advantage. Bungie was the one telling us to "lvl up your gear and weapons, because it's going to matter in iron banner!" I have 2 Plan C exotic fusions rifles, one that hasn't been upgraded at all, and one that is maxed out. They both do the EXACT SAME DAMAGE. This means, they lied to us. A lot of people made sure to have maxed out weapons and gear for this upcoming "iron banner." When in reality, all it is is a competitive play list. There is nothing wrong with that, but they should of advertised it as such, and not claimed gear and weapons matter.. because they clearly do not. You admited you don't care about PVP, well guess what, PVP is the main reason a lot of people bought this game. It is severly lacking in COMPETITIVE GAME MODES. I was expecting Iron Banner to finally be a competitive game mode, where ONLY high lvl GOOD PLAYERS were going to be playing. Sadly, there is almost no difference. The way they made it sound, people were expecting a higher time to kill for EVERYONE even against other high lvls. Sadly, the TTK is the exact same. Then, we have peopel like yourself who aren't even primarily PVP'ers comign in and telling the people who PVP all the time that they are complaining and whining? Get over your ego dude, all we wanted was something new and something that they had promised us. If high lvls truely had an advantage, guess what, all the low lvls would of left and continued to play the normal game modes, leaving iron banner for the truely competitive and best players. That is what we wanted, not another control game mode.
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You just wasted a lot of time with a dumb response to OP. Question is justified.
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Edited by James5955: 10/9/2014 3:49:20 PM[quote]You just wasted a lot of time with a dumb response to OP. Question is justified.[/quote] Doesnt take much time to type that when you're typing speed is typically 135 WPM. Thanks for pointing out why its a dumb response though, this gaming community is clearly awesome. What should I expect though lol. If you want to roll over everything aolely based on gear and level then stick to pve or other genres of games. Taking skill out of FPS games lol, whats the point.
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[quote]Doesnt take much time to type that when you're typing speed is typically 135 WPM. Thanks for pointing out why its a dumb response though, this gaming community is clearly awesome. What should I expect though lol.[/quote] First off it is your not you're (Try typing slower) Let me try one more time. Crucible is PvP designed to allow all players (regardless of level) to compete on an even playing field. Iron Banner was (Supposedly) designed to give players of higher level/armor/weapons an advantage. It isn't about being a "God" in PvP, but most of us expected (and were promised) a noticeable difference when facing lower level players/weapons/armor. As it stands, a player can go into Iron Banner at level 4-5, with common gear, and a common weapon and still compete with 29-30 players. If you want a level playing field go to crucible. That is why it's there. We don't care about the same PvP with a different name.
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Edited by James5955: 10/9/2014 8:59:49 PMOh my, I did make a mistake. I'm so sorry for the inconvenience, usually it isn't a problem for me but I was having a busy day and had a lot to do. Now I can take my time, I didn't hurt your feelings too bad by typing "you're" and not "your", did I? Apologies. Don't get me wrong, I understand that Iron Banner was made out to be more lopsided than it is. I agree that Bungie should be held accountable and keep their promises, I'm not a fan of false advertisement. My main "irritation" is reading all the comments of players saying people underleveled should be seeing "immune" when shooting them. I on the other hand would like to see Bungie put a level restriction on IB if they do make it so lopsided so that your gear will still matter but there will still be more skill based competition. Now I have pointed out that I also disagree with white weapons being able to compete with legendaries in terms of damage in IB, not sure when or to who I replied to with that. But.. to be fair, I honestly think there is no "level playing field" in Destiny PvP. It's pretty broken and balance doesn't seem to be their main focus lol, but hey... I agree with not caring about PvP with a different name.
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It did hurt my feelings but I accept your apology. I don't think high level players should be immune to low levels. I'm curious to see what Deej says tomorrow about IB. I wish IB relied on armor and weapon damage. 1400 armor vs. 300 damage would be a 5 shot kill. Yes, low level players would be screwed, but that was the point of IB (or what we were led to believe). Even high level guys trying to use 240 damage weapons would be at a disadvantage but that was the point of IB.
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I get where you both are coming from, there should be a difference. There should e an advantage in level because that's what they promised, but I do agree it should still rely heavily on skill. The advantage from leveling should be too big. Anyways, he was correct when using you're. You were wrong saying it should've been your :P
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LOL Just to be clear... "You're" means "you are" That means his sentence reads: Doesnt take much time to type that when[b] you are[/b] typing speed is typically 135 WPM. Now your reads like this: Doesnt take much time to type that when [b]your[/b] typing speed is typically 135 WPM. I hope that clears everything up. :P Thanks for chiming in for Grammar 101
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Edited by MythicMapper: 10/9/2014 7:22:53 PMMy fault, I do understand grammar, I just misread what he said at the time. I cracked my phone 2 days ago so it happens. But you are right, I read it as, "when you are typing 135 WPM."
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Edited by IamJohan: 10/9/2014 3:37:57 PMYour feeling is wrong. You have clearly just completely missed the point. He never said "I should be god mode and guaranteed a win". He said "how come as a level 4 with basic white weapons I can 2 shot level 30's with full exotic/legendaries?" His question is extremely valid.
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He already said he agrees the white weapon shouldn't do the same damage as the purple an orange
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[quote]I feel like the majority of complaints I'm reading stems from the fact that their gear in IB doesn't guarantee them a win before a fight even starts because that's how Bungie advertised it. Personally, I think that's stupid. Skill should be a factor in ANY PVP, regardless of there being "advantages enabled" or not. Boo hoo, you can't kill other low lvl players in one hit while tanking an infinite amount of bullets from them receiving "immune", how terrible to let another player damage you. I just think it's pretty stupid to complain about other players being able to compete against you lol.[/quote] The complaint is justified, lvl 4's with lvl 1 weapons should not be able to easily take down someone 26 levels above, dont forget Destint is also an RPG and at this point they might as well just cut all the rpg content considering it doesnt matters anyway and cutting content is something Bungie seems to love these days. [quote]Went into IB for the first time yesterday as a level 28 and felt like there was a decent advantage I had. I don't usually play crucible so it may be hard to tell, but enemies seemed to die faster and damage scales seemed different.[/quote] Crazy idea, perhaps Bungie just highered the overall damage from Crucible (as multiple people have said, it is still crucible but with a slight increase in damage.) [quote]Pretty sure I saw someone survive a shoulder charge from a titan, meaning that your armor does too matter in IB.[/quote] Pretty sure is not "I have concrete evidence of". Sounds like you even doubt it yourself. [quote]Anyways... First game in and went 37 kills 7.4 KDR, so I'm sitting here thinking of how bad you must be to complain and moan about not having enough of an advantage over your competition.[/quote] Link to that game, also did you finish like that every game? It is also more about the fact Bungie lied again then anything else, lots of people grinded days for their gear, doing task that were not so fun but now even in a "level advantage enabled" playlist that gear is apparently only as usefull as the first weapon found or plainly the same as in the disabled playlist. [quote] Just stick to PvE if you want easy steamrolling IMO, not like any people under level 28 would join IB if they had as much of a disadvantage as they would in PvE due to level difference.[/quote] I think you're missing the point again, it is more about this playlist simply being glorified Crucible, Bungie said lvl would matter here, it clearly does not. [quote]All that aside, his lowbie white gun shouldn't be doing the same damage as another players fully upgraded legendary gun... Agreed there.[/quote] And 200 defence == 1400? IB should be as it is advertised or on a more broad perspectice Bungie needs to quite the lying.
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Your definition of easily killing stuff is not shaped by participation in crucible. The kill speed was atrocious and everyone he was killing was bad. It would take literally one third of the time to kill the same people with shingen or suros. He wouldn't have killed almost anyone if he was getting shot at
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Where do you get your assumptions from? I don't know how to work my way around this website as some, but I don't see a "killing speed" posted anywhere. Plus everyone on my team seemed to think my killing speed was fast. Wouldn't have killed almost anyone if I had been shot at? What? I was getting shot at on a regular basis, usually guarding one of the 3 points on my own against 2-3 enemies who would try and take it from me and usually fail. Plus, I was using a Suros. I won't bother replying to everyone on this because I just got home and using this website on the phone is hell, and after reading through some posts I've realized that some people didn't fully understand a few things I tried to be thorough about and repeating myself or explaining my opinions on things when we disagree on a basic principal really isn't worth the time or effort involved. All I'm going to say that in PvP, of any kind, skill should be a reasonable factor. If they want PvP damage to scale the same as PvE, then all Bungie should really do IMO is restrict the levels allowed to enter IB so that people don't have to get trolled by seeing "immune" or standing no chance at all; assuming that they ever make IB the way they made it out to be. Which I agree, Bungie should be held accountable for what they promised and white weapons shouldnt do the same damage as purple.
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I was replying to someone else talking about the video. It gets weird when the thread goes too deep
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Oh lol, yeah it does. My bad.
