they aren't the only things i consider good. But Bungie just is proving time and time again, that rather than bring other things up to contend to give more options - they are just nerfing what is good. Players are investing time to earn this gear just to be told "oh well, we don't know how to playtest and its our fault that its good but now YOU the player needs to pay for it" How long before the recluse reaches top tier meta and then people start crying about that too. The biggest issue here is PvP numbers declining - so the dedicated PvPers that put in the work to get those weapons are becoming more widespread as casuals are declining. Its a saturation issue more than its a weapon issue.