Nope I agree with you completely. Just revise it towards the end a little bit.
My group and I can easily finish the raid no problem and we have multiple times. But none of us even signed on since week 4 to try the prestige mode because the rewards are not worth the time spent.
On the flip side in Vanilla D1 we ran VoG 3x a week and hardmode even after the first DLC dropped because we not only wanted the rewards but most of us wanted 3 copies of each for all 3 characters. The gear was just that much better.
To make you understand the difference even more. Some of my friends even went as far as restarting characters just to get another shot at raid loot. With this raid and endgame rewards we honestly can care less lol.
I guess to paraphrase what I'm trying to get across yes I 100% agree with you we need a grind that's what keeps players playing. But if there was a grind with this loot I wouldn't have even lasted 2 weeks because this is pathetic.
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Edited by munkt0r: 11/3/2017 5:53:49 PMI agree. Just knowing that doing that hardest content in the game will net you the same item you could get from just playing the crucible or some public events (other than aesthetics) kinda weakens the drive. But that's why I don't think it matters one way or another how long you have to grind for tokens, as it only gets you the same thing as any other activity (other than aesthetics). *EDIT* Also yes, we played the crapload out of VoG for the challenge and the gear.