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Edited by Wicked: 10/5/2016 1:15:54 PM
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I'm not really sure you understand how the office of the president works. Or how the little power the president has. Or the differences in the American people of 2016 and the German people of the 1930s. Or how much power the people have. And the reason you're so afraid of a man like Trump being elected, is because you have so little faith in our system of government. Also, you're talking to me, rather condescendingly I might add, as though I want Trump elected president. [b][i]I do not want that[/i][/b]. Trump is an absolute retard. But Clinton has already proven that her policies and methods don't work. You keep trying to compare Trump to Hitler. [b][i]THEY ARE NOTHING ALIKE[/i][/b]. It's hilariously absurd of you to think that a man like Trump could or would in any way end up doing to the modern United States what hit did to 30s and 40s Germany. It's also kind of insulting to me that you have such little faith in our people or the armed forces. Do you think the people would just blindly follow a psychotic dictator? That's the entire purpose of the 2nd Amendment! It was designed to prevent the government from becoming an overpowered dictatorship. Which is also why the 2nd Amendment reads: The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. And quite honestly, reading you comments and opinions, you sound very educated. But you also sound like a coward. You sound like the kind of person that thinks we don't need guns because we can call the cops, and we don't need fire extinguishers because we can call the fire department. The fact that you're so scared to elect a man like Trump, because you fear some imagined, potential dictatorial power trip, is the really scary part. That you'd rather have a lying, information leaking, two-faced, money grubbing bureaucrat who has compromised our security, and who's poor job performance and terrible, hesitant decision making has led to the deaths of American citizens, rather than a guy who's too stupid not to get impeached and get a reasonable individual put in place, is really -blam!-ing scary. Our system is broken. It's why we have a greater national deficit than any other time in US history. It's why people think that the government is some omnipotent, omniscient power. It's also why our politicians and elected officials do whatever the hell they want, and all we can do is choose the lesser of evils. They've very cleverly helped the people forget that, as a democratic republic, [b][i]they work for us[/i][/b]. And all of that is the reason we're in the mess that we're in. Yes, our system is -blam!-ing broken.
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  • Edited by TheArtist: 10/5/2016 1:32:42 PM
    I understand that you have a pronoun problem.....because I understand quite well what I'm talking about. (Never assume you know who you are talking to on the Internet, or what you THINK they know. Because 90% of the time you are going to be wrong.) 1. The President runs the EXECUTIVE branch of the government...and because of Seperation of Powers...there is very little that Congress and The Supreme Court (Legislative and Judicial Branches) can do to limit that authority. Congress provides Oversight...and has the ability to cut off funding. The SCOTUS....has SOME authority to call the Executive to heel when it feels the Constituion ahs been violated. But the when that can be invoked...and the Judicial branch's ability to ENFORCE its will is MURKY..and never been tested. In fact the ability of the Congress to remove a President from office via Impeachement has never really been tested. Johnson and Clinton were acquitted. Nixon resigned to avoid being humiliated. 2. Separation of powers ONLY works if the people running the government put tribal and partisan agendas aside. In 1974, the GOP did that. They reached across the aisle, joined with Democrats to push an out-of-control President out of office. But today's GOP is a group that puts partisanship and having control of the country and the government above all other concerns. Not only did the Republican Congress FAIL in its responsibility to oversee the Bush (44) Administration...they were little more than a rubber stamp. 3. If Separation of Powers is lost to partisanship and win-at-all-costs authoritarian politics.....then ALL bets are off. The Presidency now has the potential to become disproportionately powerful. In fact the entire governing philosophy of the Bush years was BUILT around the notion of the President being what many considered Unconsittionally powerful. Google "The Unitary Executive". Power once taken, is almost never given back. Other constitutional protections now come into jeopardy....and the reach and scope of the Executive functions of Governent------FBI, CIA, NSA, Justice Department, IRS, the Miltiary, just to name a few-----now become the potential sources of great mischief..... ...and even possible oppression. [i]Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty; power is ever stealing from the many to the few. The manna of popular liberty must be gathered each day or it is rotten. The living sap of today outgrows the dead rind of yesterday. The hand entrusted with power becomes, either form human depravity or esprit de corps, the necessary enemy of the people. Only by continued oversight can the democrat in office be prevented from hardening into a despot; only by unintermitted agitation can a people be sufficiently awake to principle not to let liberty be smothered in material prosperity.” [/i] IOW. The arrogant assumption that you could never LOSE your democracy IS THE FIRST STEP TO LOSING IT. Because it creates the environment that allows those power-hungry forces that exist in every society to slowly tear down and undermine the very structures that limit their power, and protects freedom. It CAN happen here.

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  • Edited by Wicked: 10/5/2016 11:16:39 PM
    The only reason it would happen here, is because sheep like you with more brains that balls, would just blindly do what you're told. Never served in the military did you? Honestly, from the way you talk about these issues, I know you know more than I do about it. I never assumed you didn't know these things. But you seem to put so much into the way our system of government works. Yes, I know there is a separation of offices in the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of government. But these branches would have very little power if the people chose to put our collective foot down. If one gained more power than the other two and scales tipped and fire rained from the sky as the Antichrist rose to power, the American people can just say no. There are nowhere near enough police and/or military power to stop the people. And I can tell you that, in the event of some kind of unjust or unconstitutional order, the military wouldn't do much for the government. [spoiler]How dare you point out my pronoun problem? I'm offended..[/spoiler]

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  • Smh. All you need to do is watch Fox News to understand why it could happen here. Just because you live in a democracy don't naively assume that everyone values it the same. All you have to do is create enough chaos, and make people frightened and resentful enough and the average person will GIVE away their freedom in exchange for the illusion of safety and the opiate of material prosperity. Why do you think the Chinese are so focused on their economy? Since Tienamen Square they've been trying to use prosperity to lull their people back to sleep and have them forget that their simply living in a police state. Any communist pretenses having been dropped decades ago.

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