... Maybe people like you are reasons why Bungie nerfs things to the ground.
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Which is good
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No, both guns mentioned just require spacing to counter. Both are fantstic at their respective OPTIMAL range, try cross mapping with tlw or UR. Its impossible, if the gun is played to its strengths then it should be good where it is made to be good. Its like saying jade rabbit or boolean are OP because they can kill a last word at 100 yards. Neither are OP, but both are fantastic at their respective optimal range
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I played almost all of year 2 without either of them and still have over a 1.0 kd. So if theyre so OP how was i able to have a positive kd without them